Hi guys, thanks for the advice, here is some of the problems I am encoutering. I am just putting just a refugium no sump so I need a pump big enough to get it to return to the main tank which is about 4-5 feet higher than where the refugium is going to be. A maxijet wont lift the water that high and if it does I wont get the minimun 300gph that I need, I think the smaller mags will do the same. I was looking at a mag7, I found it on petsolutions for about $60 plus a wavemaker so I'll put two returns one on each side. I am thinking of using an overflow box, I found one that does 600gph, will this be fine to use a 600gph overflow with a pump that returns ~400 gph? I dont see the problem but I've never set up something like this. I also wanted to see if anybody has 10gal or 15gal they had laying around and is willing to donate it to my little experiment. Thanks for the help, Karl