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roxy25

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OK I did a FW test with my 20 gallon tank with 10 gallon sump. everything works great except I found a leak coming out of the right elbow in back of tank.

How do I fix it?

second question is , is it normal to have the PVC that drains out of the tank to the sump makes so much bubbles and flow?

I wanted to make it a refugium down there will that effect it ?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9032235#post9032235 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bebo77
is the elbow glued?

do you have a duso on the drain?

yes it was glued in I have some PVC glue .

duso = ? lol
 
if it is glued and it still leaks then you missed a spot... reglue then silicone to me safe...

durso...

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9032446#post9032446 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bebo77
if it is glued and it still leaks then you missed a spot... reglue then silicone to me safe...

durso...

durso_mod1.jpg


well I didnt glue it it was bought that way so I could just use the PVC glue ? then let it dry and then silicone?


o durso yes I have one on the drain but whats with all the bubbles is that normal? I can see keeping a refugium down there with all that water action
 
if it leaks seal/ glue it...

as for the durso... did you put a hole on the cap of the durso?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9032621#post9032621 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bebo77
if it leaks seal/ glue it...

as for the durso... did you put a hole on the cap of the durso?


yup every thing was done before purchased
 
Pictures would help us. Take a picture of the noise problem areas, and the leaking joint.

If it is a bulkhead that is leaking , you may want to try to tighten it up a bit.

But without more info, we could be guessing all night

Bill
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9032893#post9032893 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bergovoy
Pictures would help us. Take a picture of the noise problem areas, and the leaking joint.

If it is a bulkhead that is leaking , you may want to try to tighten it up a bit.

But without more info, we could be guessing all night

Bill

well I dont have a camera at the moment so discriptions are all I have .........

its not the part where the bulkhead screws its the part where its actually sealed to the tank,

its not the noise that bugs me its how much bubble action is created at the sump. its in my first chamber where the drains at. I was just wonder is that normal for all of that action down there.
 
Teh bulkhead is what makes the seal at the tank. there should be a gasket on the inside of the tank inside of the bulkhead.

If this is leaking you should be able to turn the large plastic nut on the bulkhead to tighten it down. Normally you would tighten it to hand tight plus a quarter turn more witha wrench.

Sometimes there is a piece of dirt or something else stuck in that gasket that allows water to leak out of it.

But try turning that nut bit more.

It may be that you ahve to remove the water to below that level then remove that gasket and check it and or replace it.

If the pipe is already glued to the bulkhead, that would mean that you would have to cut teh pipe, replace the bulkhead replace teh pipe, reglue and all that good stuff.

If this was done for you at the store, they should fix it. I am not sure what kind of warranty they would have to make them come out and do it at your house and such, but give them a call.

If it is the seal that is leaking, it will look like water is running down the back side of the glass, (running / dripping) directly from that bulkhead. the threads on the bulkhead will be dry, the only thing wet will be the glass and the stand under the tank under the bulkhead.

I ahve heard some peopleuse silicone for small leaks, but I would not suggest that as a fix, unless you drain the tank dry out the problem area and then silicone it.

As for the bubbles, yes the overflow makes bubbles, The standpipe, (durso) or otehr design is to minimize the amount of bubbles / distance taht the water falls. These devices, (pipe assemblies) usually have some form of adjustment, (slide them up and down) to adjust the bubbles / noise

Also when the water goes into the sump / filter, there is a water falling noise, that can also be adjusted by placing the drain pipe up or down above or even below the water, again to minimize the distance the water falls. You can add a piece of pipe to lower the pipe into the water. I use a filter sock to help dispurse the wter as it hits the sump and also strain the bubbles.

You can look at some of my pics, (I am missing a bunch as my daughter takes teh camera from me for football games and I dont see it until she brings it back

Ideally you dont want any noise or bubbles, so adjust and tinker until you are happy.

Good luck.
 
If it is the seal that is leaking, it will look like water is running down the back side of the glass, (running / dripping) directly from that bulkhead. the threads on the bulkhead will be dry, the only thing wet will be the glass and the stand under the tank under the bulkhead.

I ahve heard some peopleuse silicone for small leaks, but I would not suggest that as a fix, unless you drain the tank dry out the problem area and then silicone it.

yes this is what is happening its dripping down the back. I can't take the bulkheads out because they are sealed so I can't turn it to tighten it. I didnt buy the tank new it is used, so cant take it back to store.........

Yesterday I put some pvc glue where it was leaking. I dont know if that fixed it I will have to test again.

As for the bubbles, yes the overflow makes bubbles, The standpipe, (durso) or otehr design is to minimize the amount of bubbles / distance taht the water falls. These devices, (pipe assemblies) usually have some form of adjustment, (slide them up and down) to adjust the bubbles / noise

Also when the water goes into the sump / filter, there is a water falling noise, that can also be adjusted by placing the drain pipe up or down above or even below the water, again to minimize the distance the water falls. You can add a piece of pipe to lower the pipe into the water. I use a filter sock to help dispurse the wter as it hits the sump and also strain the bubbles.

I saw on a website forgot which where it shows you just to add a longer pvc pipe to the durso to minimize noise. I would have to try that because the durso is hand made cant make adujustments on it other than add more length to pvc pipe.

I also think have an idea for the drain to the sump hopefully i can get a camera to show before and after. this is going to be interesting
 
life is interesting keepign an aquarium is NUTS!!!

Good luck with teh sealant at the bulkhead. I am not sure what you mean that the bulkhead is sealed so you cant tighten it?

Worse case scenario, you may have to drain the water to below the bulkhead and cut the sealant off and take that large nut off.

Typically they do not use a sealant on the bulkheads, just tighten like I suggested earlier.

Search for stockman standpipe, or cj standpipe or overflow standpipe and get some ideas on how to mod yours.

You should be able to pull the standpipe out of the overflow area / hole that it is in. If it is too short you can just replace the main riser, or take a look at what parts you can adjust or change.

Maybe you can add a piece with a coupling, that will give you two inches more in length, probably too long then, but you get the idea.

If you cant take a pic, how about sketching by hand or paint program...

I am anxious to see what you are thinkin about...

Tease!!!
 
hey that is a good idea I will try to sketch it on paint lol

I am looking for the rest of this pvc pipe I had I dont know what my friend did with it. but I did take the pvc pipe of the bottom drain to the sump and put it on the durso to se how high it made it. I think its a perfect fit. now I just have to cut another piece for my sump drain.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9053494#post9053494 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roxy25
ok lets try this again


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You will always have air bubbles coming down to the drain. This is because the air is what that drives water down (displacement). The atmospheric air will displace the water as it moves out of the tank. An example is the 5 gallon jugs....If you notice that if you do not have the back nozzle drilled, pouring water out of the jug is alot harder than with a hole in the nozzle to let air enter and displace the water. The bubbles can easily be cured with a filtersock and if water is splashing out...you can use a coupling and extend the pipe going into the sump a little longer.

From the second picture it seems that the bulkhead is leaking....You might want to check the gasket on the bulkhead...
 
my suggestions for the sump noise
1. extend the pvc so it would be submerse underwater
2. no pvc, add a 45 or 60 degree elbow and aim it to one of the walls of the sump. the wall will glide it into the water in the sump (or)
3. use a long tubular sponge that come with skimmers and other stuff as a buffer between the end of pvc and water surface.

for the bulkhead, the pvc is glued to the bulkhead. but is the nut glued as well. the hexagon nut shouldnt have been glued for the previous owner could assemble it together.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9053559#post9053559 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by H22ATypeS
You will always have air bubbles coming down to the drain. This is because the air is what that drives water down (displacement). The atmospheric air will displace the water as it moves out of the tank. An example is the 5 gallon jugs....If you notice that if you do not have the back nozzle drilled, pouring water out of the jug is alot harder than with a hole in the nozzle to let air enter and displace the water. The bubbles can easily be cured with a filtersock and if water is splashing out...you can use a coupling and extend the pipe going into the sump a little longer.

From the second picture it seems that the bulkhead is leaking....You might want to check the gasket on the bulkhead...

Ok I am a newbie so what is a filter sock ? Bill mentioned that also ,

And what is the gasket of the bulkhead
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9053616#post9053616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by psst
my suggestions for the sump noise
1. extend the pvc so it would be submerse underwater
2. no pvc, add a 45 or 60 degree elbow and aim it to one of the walls of the sump. the wall will glide it into the water in the sump (or)
3. use a long tubular sponge that come with skimmers and other stuff as a buffer between the end of pvc and water surface.

for the bulkhead, the pvc is glued to the bulkhead. but is the nut glued as well. the hexagon nut shouldnt have been glued for the previous owner could assemble it together.

I was just about to draw out number 2 I have another elbow and that was my idea .

there is no PVC glued to bulkhead just 90 degree elbow slipped at the other end. I believe the nut is glued because I tried turning it with any luck. I dunno it all seems like everything is glue or i am just a weak LOL
 
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