Need some HELP please ich taking over reef tank!

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bbsal

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Hi, i was in florida for 2 weeks and during that time my wife decided to buy a young foxface only 3 inches i told her ok but put him in the quartentine tank until i get home soooo...

I get home and not only is the foxface in the refugium not the quartentine but it has ich and in turn my hippos tang yellow tang and flame anger also now have ich. The only fish who doesnt is the clownfish!

I been reading in here none stop and i still cant decided what to do i have battled ich only once like 8 months ago with the hippo when i first got it but i just fed good and it went away ,

But this is way worse its almost all my fish and there covered in it i tried to get pics but they dont stop swimming lol they are eating fine

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/60461441/2012-08-27 17.03.09.jpg


So i really could use you guys help here my wife is killin me i cant believe this i went over to the store she bought the foxface at and sure enough they all have ich and i had it out with the owner for selling sich over priced fish. So i know it came from there.

So i see options for hypo or cooper. i know most of you recommend putting all fish in quartine and using hypo and leave display empty for 8 weeks. is there any other options? Also how do you buffer the water with barebottom what do you guys use?
 
Do you have any corals/inverts? If so, you have no in-tank options unless you remove them. I use baked baking soda to buffer my pH when necessary.
 
yes i have lps and sps so im afriad i cant treat in display tank unless i remove the corals correct but wont i have a massive die off of my sand bed and live rock so its not worth it correct? So baking soda will take care of the ph so i then hold the quarentine at 1.009 then.

Another thing since there hasnt been fish in my quaerentine it is not cycled so should i use one of my filters that already has good bactiria from my main tank and put it on the quarentine? or start fresh and just do water changes everyday? Water changes everyday seems like a problem cause then 1.009 will be harder to keep steady and ph.

But if i use a filter already established that prevents that hassle and i could just rinse the filter pads everyday but leave the bio alone>

im just confused a little lol
 
bbsal said:
yes i have lps and sps so im afriad i cant treat in display tank unless i remove the corals correct but wont i have a massive die off of my sand bed and live rock so its not worth it correct? So baking soda will take care of the ph so i then hold the quarentine at 1.009 then.

Another thing since there hasnt been fish in my quaerentine it is not cycled so should i use one of my filters that already has good bactiria from my main tank and put it on the quarentine? or start fresh and just do water changes everyday? Water changes everyday seems like a problem cause then 1.009 will be harder to keep steady and ph.

But if i use a filter already established that prevents that hassle and i could just rinse the filter pads everyday but leave the bio alone>

im just confused a little lol
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Have a lot of sw made up for frequent WCs. You can use an ammonia neutralizer (Prime, Ammo-Lock) with Hypo. I really prefer copper to hypo; but that's your call. An established filter will make life easier, regardless of treatment method.
 
You can try feeding dr g's medicated food. May work may not depending on how your fish react to the taste of the food. Worth a shot to try while you get your qt tank up and running. May not even need it.
 
thanks guys i setup 2 tanks for quarintine one 20 gallon tall and one ten gallon do you think thats enough space for 6 fish i mean the hippo and yellow tang alone will be alot of bioload but the rest are little guys a snowflake clown fire goby cleaner wrasse flame angel.

i have the 20 running now with tank water from my main display also ten running. i have a fluval 405 with bioballs chemipure in it then in the ten gallon i have a aquaclear 70 with carbon and foam pad and bio. sound good?

today im.gonna start adding all fish and then start to lower saltinity slowly over next 48 hours.

another question will my main display lose its bio since now fish will be in it and should i vaccum the sand and do a big water change in there after the fish are out.

thanks for your help i appricate it i love my fish and dont want to lose not one. my wife made a big kistake by putting that new foxface in the wrong tank but she feels bad enough already its done now i just have to take it day by day and try to do my best to help my buddys out.

i have selcon and nls pellets also alage sheets soaked in garlic and selcon i been feeding all fish and they eat like pigs still so thats a good sign i hope.
 
also that drgs sounds good can i feed them that during hypo though?.

i was going to do copper but i have a flame angel and i heard there extra sensitive to copper so i rather not hurt him even worse.

i also feed 5starreefbar wich has most of the ingredients thats in that drgs clams oysterz etc and i soak that in selcon as well. i also have another amino vitamin i use too. there all eating well.still but they aint in quarentine yet so i hope they are ok after switching tanks
 
MrTuskfish said:
Have a lot of sw made up for frequent WCs. You can use an ammonia neutralizer (Prime, Ammo-Lock) with Hypo. I really prefer copper to hypo; but that's your call. An established filter will make life easier, regardless of treatment method.
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Did you ever use copper with a angel though? I hear copper isnt to friendly with angels thats what scares me i was going to use copper before i heard that. unless i use copper for the tangs and others and hypo for the flame in the ten gallon?

i know with copper it will def kill the ich and the hypo is scaring me a little cause its alot of work so im on the border on what to do right now and i have to do something today! There getting worse they are all loaded with ich not so much the flame angel or clown but its still on them
 
Good luck to you. So many of us wish our spouses were interested in our hobby and you know she meant well.
 
My luck with copper on Flame angles has been 0. I've never tried with larger angels though, but Tank Transfer may be the safest for your angel.
 
funny you mentioned tank transfer i was just reading about it because im scared hypo might hurt the flame and its one of them that dont nip on any coral at all there even more rare i want to do the safest thing possible with him.
 
h2so4hurts said:
My luck with copper on Flame angles has been 0. I've never tried with larger angels though, but Tank Transfer may be the safest for your angel.
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I agree. Flame Angels are one of the very few fish I wouldn't treat with copper. As much as I like copper, I think TT should always be the 1st choice for ich---if possible.
 
ok one other question i have a mandarain goby does he have to come out of the tank too? How about the cleaner wrasse? Just wondering if they are immune to ich or not im guess they do have to come out as well.

Im having a heck of a time catching this flame angel and firegoby. The firegoby is like a rocketship the minute he comes out if i even attempt to stick something in the tank he darts so fast back under a rock its impossible to get him.

Looks like i will be breaking down all the rock just to catch these guys bad part is my bubble tip anemone is attached to the rock the firegoby hides under so its gonna make it rough!
 
Every single fish has to come out of the tank. Use hypo, copper, or tank transfer method. I like hypo the best. With hypo keep all the fish in a large QT or multiple QTs for 10 weeks. Then slowly raise the salinity over the course of two weeks and observe them for another 2 weeks. It's a slow process but works and you will not lose any fish. Good luck!
 
thanks my mandrain wont eat nothing but pods this will be a big problem since hes going in a ten gallon qt. The hippo yellow tang and clown fish is in the 20 now with a huge filter for that size tank lol im running a 405 fluval full throttle in the 20 tall just so i know they have good filtration and its already established too.

but the ten gallon i just setup for qt im gonna have the flame angel fire goby and mandrain in that. I hope i can get it to eat something other then pod or it will die.
 
You can use cupramine on the flame. Raise it very slowly to .35 over 7 days. If there is any stress pull out the copper with a poly pad. I would try chloroquine phosphate either through the food or through the water if you can find it. If not I would use quinine sulfate or crypto pro. It will kill the ick in 2 weeks. I would only use copper as a last resort.
 
fish are all in quarentine im slowly lowering saltinity now and keeping a eye on ph and ammonia levels. All fish so far look good and eating fine. i hope it stays that way i love my flame angel i hope he makes it thru all this!! Well i love all my fish acually lol.
 
Hypo provides instant relief if you lower the salinity quickly. Fish can tolerate a huge drop in salinity. It's going back up that has to be slow.
 
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