Hey all so I got a new chevron tang for the new 100 gallon DT an QT on light dose of copper for 5 days with no signs I moved him over to the DT he has been there for 24hrs He found a hiding spot he likes an showed no signs of anything now after 24 hours he has a slight dark spot on his rear before his fin and kinda scratching at it the scratching bothered me and scared me but then I noticed he is not breathing hard an still acting normal and a bubble anemone moved into his hiding area and has stung him so should I be safe and get him out an QT again and see or think its just the anomone! thanks in advance dont want to take a chance!
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Mrscribbled
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What do you consider a low dose of copper? Just curious because some people will dose it low and its not an effective level. Free copper must be .15, cupramine .35 and copper safe 1.5 minimum levels. A 5 day quarantine is only a fraction of what it should be. 5 days isn't enough to prevent ich, velvet or flukes.
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ok im using a product called copper power which claims to be the safest of all copper treatments yeah still skeptical myself but overall is a copper treatment with low effect an the manufacture calls for 2.5ppm for treatment as it is a low effective an ran them at .8 for the last of 3days and got to point 8 over 2 days. the whole bottle is 16 fl oz an contains 1.26% copper sulfate the recommend one fluid once per 20 gallons I maxed at 7ML to 5 gal and started at 3ml to 5 gal and unlike some treatments It says or claims it does not precipitate like others and says in the water form which I have found it can be a pain to remove and does not easily get out although during an ick outbreak kept all my fish alive 5 months ago and worked well should I switch products for QT or am I totally off balance and screwed on the product here!
basically during an Ick outbreak in my old tank I took its advise as it says and kept it all as per the bottle and it was solved now this fish 3 months into a new tank has me scared I left the DT corals tank vacant of fish for 3.5 months roughly and then moved to the new 100gallon display have QT all new fish including this one he is just starting to scratch but where is scratching is same area as where I have seen an bubble anemone get him should I be worried and take the precaution or just over paranoid about it again
triggreef
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Leave it for now. If he had any parasites the damage is already done. Best case, watch and wait, see nothing more and your good. What you described so far doesn't seem parasitic.
Worst case you find an outbreak of something (which pulling him out now would not avoid) and you will have to remove all fish and go fallow.
Worst case you find an outbreak of something (which pulling him out now would not avoid) and you will have to remove all fish and go fallow.
Qt, copper power and catching fish
Qt, copper power and catching fish
Copper power is Imo the safest and very effective copper solution.All fish should be in qt for a minimum of 4weeks in copper power treated water If the fish is flagging or scratching on substrate water temps should then be raised to 85F, to facilitate parasites advancing there development to the free swimming stage.
Qt is not just to prevent disease but also to condition a fish and make it strong enough to face the gauntlet of the established Dt residents. I would return him to qt if possible.
The easiest and least stressful way to catch a fish is in the middle of the night as it sleeps. I would not remove all the other fish unless there are parasites showing. If the new fish dropped parasites in the water it may take weeks to develope into an outbreak. Your fish may also have some immunity to ick. How ever as you know there are other diseases to consider.
Qt, copper power and catching fish
Copper power is Imo the safest and very effective copper solution.All fish should be in qt for a minimum of 4weeks in copper power treated water If the fish is flagging or scratching on substrate water temps should then be raised to 85F, to facilitate parasites advancing there development to the free swimming stage.
Qt is not just to prevent disease but also to condition a fish and make it strong enough to face the gauntlet of the established Dt residents. I would return him to qt if possible.
The easiest and least stressful way to catch a fish is in the middle of the night as it sleeps. I would not remove all the other fish unless there are parasites showing. If the new fish dropped parasites in the water it may take weeks to develope into an outbreak. Your fish may also have some immunity to ick. How ever as you know there are other diseases to consider.
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Mrscribbled
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Copper medications such as copper power and Coppersafe are heavily chealated and need to be ran at high dosage. This in return makes them the least likely to precipitate, but also makes them more dangerous to use and harder on the fish. Copper power at .8 is totally ineffective, 2.5 ppm must be achieved. 4 weeks minimum.
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I have not had toxicity issues with coper power even at 25 % over dosing. 1 oz/20 gallons is the theraputic dose. I have had problems with seachems copper prep and found that it precipatated and need to be monitored daily. I found it to be harsh on fish and felt that at least some losses where attributable to its use.I use Copperpower on clowns ,butterflys, tangs ,angels. in qt @85F[ 1- 2 WKS] AND S.G. 1O12. X 4 to 6 weeks[ hypo for 3 weeks and THEN restore S.G. TO 1.025] ,with no ill effects. Dose it once and your good. It is my understanding that the chelation is what makes it less toxic to fish . Precipitation causes one to monitor and re-administer copper back up to theraputic levels which means that the fish are getting exposure to higher dosing and the effects are cumlative. Also if I recall correctly precipation also causes a drop in ph ,and when ph is restored copper can come back into solution causing a elevated possibly lethal concentration. Anyway there are no magic bullets, and we each have preferences based on our experiences.
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thank you guys for the information, I am letting him stay in the tank for now and keeping a very close eye on him and the other fish and have the QT setup ready to go just in case, fingers crossed and Ill watch them all very closely if It is an outbreak then all will go to QT. Thank you all for the input and information.
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