Need Some Help!!?!!?

Scotty878

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Hey guys,

I really need some help with my tank, and since I can't figure out whats going on, I'm coming to all of you with hope of some (correct) ideas to fix the problem(s), whatever it may be! This is likely gonna be kind of long, so anybody who hangs in there, it is appreciated...

It started probably about 6-8 weeks ago. Everything was going fine, but first thing that I noticed was my zoanthids started to look no so hot, as seen in the pictures below. Up until this point, Zoas had done great in my tank and spread rapidly!


IMG_20130508_184923_700 by scotty878, on Flickr


IMG_20130508_184951_685 by scotty878, on Flickr

Then a day or so later my tank got really milky white out of seemingly nowhere, and nothing had changed to cause this. Skimmer was going pretty hard pulling out a lot of stuff, but the skimmate didn't smell like normal, but more like one of those stink/shield bugs for those of you who know what they are. Fish looked fine, anemone fine, most coral looked alright. Did a WC a day or two after, coral was back except my zoas still. Another few days go by, more milky water. Another WC, most corals back to alright, zoas still looking sad and now my BTA was acting up.

Over the next week or so, I did a few more WC's to be sure. Most everything else was again looking fine, but still the zoas and anemone weren't. Zoas were opening even less at this point, and my BTA moved for the first time since it found it's happy place in my tank. For a few strange days my hamer coral looked bad, flesh receding and it dropped a branch. Tested water for what I could, and everything came back good. BTA finally was now visible after being behind some rocks for a while, and looked as good as dead, closed up, pale, droopy, but still holding tight to my back glass. While looking in the tank with a flashlight one night, shine it on the anemone, it is clearly still alive, as it reacted to the light, but not looking healthy.

Fast forward a week or two, more WC's with a fresh bucket of salt, more clean tests, still no improvement to zoas or BTA. Have two unexplained fish deaths about 10 days apart, a small goby :( and a good sized long-nosed hawkfish, who I'm not overly upset about since he ate all of my ornamental shrimp. Took my water to a few places, was told from both places that my water was pretty much perfect. Another few days go by, BTA disappears again. Shows up looking like the picture below. The second picture is of the anemone when it's healthy.


IMG_20130720_121621_391 by scotty878, on Flickr


IMG_20121206_120228_536 by scotty878, on Flickr

So clearly, although in poor health, the BTA is still alive.

Zoas develop green spots of algae as seen below, lights off for a day or two, that goes away, but picture shows their general state otherwise...


IMG_20130720_122612_782 by scotty878, on Flickr

Then to a few days ago, I come home mid-day to find my buddy Moby the Goby, a good sized diamond watchman, as lunch for some snails! I'm ****ED at this point, as he was one of my favorite fish, and looked completely healthy and active the day before! I'm running out of ideas here now!

To give a comparison of other coral health during all of this, here's a picture of my galaxea during all of this...


IMG_20130717_204929_042 by scotty878, on Flickr

The galaxea is doing GREAT, growing as quick as ever. Frogspawn and trumpet corals looks good, hammer looks alright. Flowerpot is okay but not as good as normal. Birdsnest seems to be starting to feel some pain from whatever may be happening, as the polyps aren't full and skeleton color is fading slightly. Xenia isn't looking great, but I think that's more because my urchin has developed a taste for it more than anything else.

Little note: Pretty much no problems with any sort of algae growth of anything like that EXCEPT for large tufts of algae growing on the inside edge of my overflow, right at the top, where the water flows through the slots. Needs to be cleared out about weekly.

So that's pretty much it, I don't know what to consider or try at this point. I got a different brand salt to try for tomorrow. Aside from that no hardware has changed, Everything has stayed status quo, water is seemingly good...?

I just don't know where to look next!? PLEASE HELP!!!!!

Quick tank run down:
90 Gallon tank, sump underneath (25ish gallons).
Ecoxotic original panorama fixtures, Bubble King skimmer, EcoTech powerheads. Aquiripure Nitrate Filter (I know some people are "eh" on this, but got it with the used set-up and has seemed to keep nitrates low during extended periods between past WC's). Refugium with red mangroves and cheato.

Livestock (after three unexplained deaths):
Pair of Clowns
Pair of Anthias
Pair of Banggai Cardinals
Yellow Tang
Flame Angel
Long Spine Urchin
Sea Serpent Star
Brittle Star (Possible reason for dead fish? Would it attack fish?)
Snails snails snails

PLEASE GUYS PLEASE! OUT OF IDEAS, GETTING REALLY FRUSTRATED!!!

:headwallblue: :worried2:

Anybody who made it through that, I appreciate any insight!!

Thanks in advance,
Scott D.
 
checked your phosphate with a quality measure? not the color tests. Like a hanna that gives a nominal value.
 
If you could, my noob advice would be get that anemone in a different tank.

The zoa's by your pic/description seem kinda boned. Unless there's some bizzare contaminant, it seems like to me that perhaps they are the random poison/white cloud producers. (Get all ****ed off at once and start oozing.) If they are bad enough I'd either pitch them or again if you had the option for a little qt of sorts do that. (2 containers w/ heater and powerhead or bubbler..)
 
Hey guys...

Gonna try another place with different testing methods later in the week, so we'll see about the phosphate, as all I've tried are the color tests.

I do run/have been running Pura pads and media in a bag in the sump. Have always ran some sort of carbon and or phosphate blocker/remover.

I do have another tank running in my basement, but its from the same water. Can't find the anemone right now, but maybe I'll take a piece of rock with some Zoas and put it down there to see how it goes. The only thing is the light on that tank is sub-par...

We'll see.

Keep'em coming!

Scott D.
 
Dude get a poly filter in there asap
Is that smell plastic like
Check heaters and check for stray current
Fresh carbon that isn't made by Kent asap as well
Inspect your skimmer pump
What and how are you dosing
Also any leathers in the tank
 
No leathers. The smell from the skimmer isn't plastic like, more like a bug, but hasn't happened since that first time. Had/have a Pura filter in there, similar to a Poly Filter, but I'll get and try a Poly Filter in the next few days. I'll add some fresh media in my bags too...

Have also had my hands in the tank and sump a few times and haven't felt anything, so don't think there's any stray current but I can check. Skimmer has been running well. Also haven't dosed much of anything at all, so many water changes have been maintaining all my levels, I haven't really needed to. Just some occasional drops of amino acids for the corals. Was very carefully and lightly dosing some trace elements for a while during extended times between water changes but haven't done that for some time now.
 
Had my multimeter out for some work on my car, tested the water, and based on what I've read, voltage is within a reasonable range.
 
Well the milky white could be from dosing alk that's why I asked
The pic with the zoa colony looks like a fungus is spread on it
If you can remove the colony hit it with furan or even peroxide
What is acceptable level s of current
Did you check your heaters yet
Sorry for all the randomness just trying to help
I really think reading what comes out of the Polly filter will aide us
 
Just dropped a poly-filter in a bit ago. We'll see what comes up!

And don't apologize for the randomness, I appreciate the help! I'm open to pretty much anything at this point.

Going to do a water change in the next hour or so, yesterday was the same old stuff after the WC the other day, but as of today, pretty much all corals are looking down....

Wonder if there is something in my water system!? Rinsed and cleaned everything the other day before trying the new salt.
 
wow, sorry to hear about the tank situation, that's a bummer for sure.
So things were fine, then the zoas looked bad and the water got milky, and the skimmer was pulling something nasty? Something must have happened there....could anything have gotten into the tank toxin wise? Do you have kids who might have dumped food in or anything?
Then things kept going downhill. It sounds like you are doing plenty of water changes. Do you have your actual parameters? I would think high nitrate or phosphate would cause a lot of algae which it doesn't sound like you have. Do you have the galaxia near the affected corals? (it stings). Hmmm. It doesn't take much to start a tank crash, but something must have been the original cause.
Oh, the nem, once they get like that I'm not sure they're salvageable....if you can get him out right away if he does go, that will help prevent an ammonia spike.
 
My first thought was your RODI system. If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest changing out the carbon block. It's fairly unlikely, but there's a possibility that it could be passing chloramine if the carbon is more than 2 months old, and the TFC (RO) membrane is compromised.

But, I think this is an unlikely explanation.

The "milky white" effect is probably the biggest clue - my thought is that you had something major die. It could be something you don't know about - like a rock with a lot of sponges in it.

The soft corals closing up and the fish deaths strongly suggest a toxin of biological origin, however. There's a potential that your zoas are of a type that produces palytoxin. When a few start to die, it sets off a cascade of deaths in the tank. Unfortunately, I don't know if palytoxin can be adequately removed by activated carbon. I'd be more inclined to use a macro-reticular resin such as Purigen, at least until you get the tank stabilized.
 
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