Need some help

Reef- I can't get a pic of them since I don't have a camera. Sorry. They are acting normal now besides that they are brushing there sides up against anything, like the sand rockwork or glass. I just bought formula one with garlic so i'm going to see if that helps. I went to eddie's and bought it since i live really close. Matt said to give it 4days to a week to see if there is any improvement, and if things get worse then to QT them. They are also swimming in the current, which they usually do not do.
 
another thing that helps is to keep water prestine. maybe add a small rubble of live rock from a seasoned tank as this will help. make sure you keep salinity stable and temp stable. any swings will add to there stress. if you keep water prestine they should survive with the help of the food. just dont over feed them even with the formula one pellets. water quality is a more important issue. as well as stability.
 
Its been stable, and I have corralline growing now. Whats a stable range for KH? Matt at eddies told me that my PH may be low cause my KKH is low, so I bought a test kit for that and tested it, according to the chart it took 9 drops, which is 161.1 PPM.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7340940#post7340940 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Evyllchyld
Its been stable, and I have corralline growing now.
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always a good sign.
 
Alright, well I'm guessing my tests were off today because I didn't do my freshwater top off for the day. About 4 hours ago I topped off my tank and just now I tested my water, everything is back to normal, Nitrates are 0, nitrites are 0, ammonia 0 and PH is somewhere between 8.2 and 8.4 Its not real defined. So I'm guessing it was the mandarin that died in my tank, Either he had ich or the two clowns got stressed and got ich.
 
stress is the key. maybe the bioload was pushed to limit momentarilty and it showed through the fish. in any case keep things right on and you should be on your way to recovery! best wishes and luck
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7343736#post7343736 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Evyllchyld
Either he had ich or the two clowns got stressed and got ich.
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Mandarins don't get ich. Think your clowns will be ok, sounds like you are tackling the ich the right way. Good Luck

Brian
 
I've had to deal with ich a few times and the best method I've found is hypo salinity. This is also the easiest and least dangerous way to get rid of it in my opinion. Are you sure the clowns have ich though? Generally you would see spots that look like salt grains on the clowns. Flashing (scratching) is a response to a few causes not just ich.
 
If you decide to try hypo make sure you check the ammonia level regularly as lowering the salinity can effect bacteria levels. Good luck
 
thats why i say fresh water dip for about 4-5 minutes. problem is ya gotta catch 'em . positive is that you never alter the salinity in your display tank thus possibly effect other stock.:cool:
 
Is it possible to see the ich reduce after one day of them eating food /w garlic??? They are acting like they used to, they stopped scrapping the rocks and they are back to hosting there rock. And it really seems like there is less white dots on them.
 
umm yeah the spots and scratching can stop/disappear over night but you have to very careful cause they are not fully cured yet.
 
Saltwater Ich has a very short/quick life cycle. This can be good and bad. It makes for treating a faster process, but also makes it less likely to get rid of it because they reproduce so quickly.

If you see the spots gone one day, they have only dropped off to reproduce in the substrate. They can reproduce 100 fold and come back stronger. I think garlic is a good remedy to limit Ich from re-attaching to the fish when they move back into the water column searching for a host.

My blue hippo had ich for several months until I started feeding a LOT of Nori (green sea weed for Sushi) and garlic. After about 3 weeks, I hand not seen any more reoccurances. The garlic elixer at Eddies is the best. Very pricey, but it works. The guarlic guard that comes in big bottles isn't as effective, but it's cheaper and you get more of it. Just make sure you let the food soak for at least 30min.
 
ken makes a greta point. this is why some tanks have ich in it at all times. you never see it on your fish but when ever you add a new fish it shows up again . the ich is oportunistic and attacks the new fish while it is stressed. then the issue resolves from good husbandry. but every new fish shows signs. like ken said the longer you can keep the ich from showing up or hosting a fish the more likely that it will die out of the tank. this is why i dont like adding stock less than 5 months apart. this gives any reintro of ich to run its course and die off. the reason it doesnt attack the ussual stock is because they are not stressed. food like garlic addatives and just plain eating well helps keep ich from seeing a easy foe to reattack again. once it drops off fish and tries to repopulate with no success( no host that are vulnerable/stressed) ...it is more than likly erradicated for good.

like ken said once you can stop the reoccurance for a good while the likly hood of a reoccurance lessens.
 
If you REALLY want to get into it, supposedly ich is present all the time no matter what. If you take a completely healthy tank that hasn't shown ich in....say 5 years, you would think there wasn't any chance of ich, right? Stress the fish out enough, and out they come! Steve (jaze36) even mentioned that they might live (almost dormant?) in the gills of fish until they become stressed enough for them to attach the host.

It's a pretty interesting topic, but the key point is to keep the fish's immune system up and stress them as little as possible.
 
ken has the facts down! accurate explaination of this topic. just be warry for a while . again this is where stability prevents an outbreak. ie temp swings=possible ich...sailinty swings= possible ich...etc
even a long term established tank will show ich espeically when stability is lost occationally.
 
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