Neon Red Haddoni today on DD!

OK I want a frag to go with my Teal and yellow after they have healed. He he
Or if I dare say if they heal. Why would you cut up that beautiful nem and take the chance.
 
I'm just picking guys, I didn't get him. If I did though, you better believe I would frag and ship all the pieces to you guys.

That is a real beauty. He would ship well too unlike mag and gig.

~edited-Sugar
 
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Suggest you do lots of research on this subject.

Been keeping S. haddonis for nearly 20 years now, and have yet to see/hear/read about them being successfully fragged (( a year or more )). Seen people try it, but they never report back.

Plus, haddonis aren't exactly known to be great shippers.

IMO/E, this is a bad idea.
 
Toddrtrex said:
Suggest you do lots of research on this subject.

Been keeping S. haddonis for nearly 20 years now, and have yet to see/hear/read about them being successfully fragged (( a year or more )). Seen people try it, but they never report back.

Plus, haddonis aren't exactly known to be great shippers.

IMO/E, this is a bad idea.
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Yeah, I saw that post where the guy never reported back.

What a turd. Lol

Sure they died.
 
D-Nak said:
+1. It's probably best to keep those types of threads buried, rather than stir up the pot and bring them to the top. :rolleye1:
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Wasn't serious about fragging one. I do wonder why it can't be done.

Anyway, it's a shame they wouldn't make it.
 
Reefahholic said:
Wasn't serious about fragging one. I do wonder why it can't be done.

Anyway, it's a shame they wouldn't make it.
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Yah I was pretty sure you weren't serious, but there are quite a few people who think it can be done, and they feed off of threads where people ask if it can be done.

It can't be done simply because haddoni are do not produce asexually (no cloning, no budding), so simply cutting it in half leaves you with half a haddoni. It may heal and live, but no one has ever reported long term success. Same with gigantea.

It would definitely be cool if it could be done successfully, because then we would've have to take so many from the wild. I'm torn by this because I've read that many carpets can be decades old and that clowns are rarely seen in the wild without an anemone host.

However, the ultimate goal would be to breed carpet anemones. I know that a few people have tried, but without much success.
 
IMO, I agree about a Haddoni being unfragable.

However, I'm not too sure about a Gigantea. I believe that once a gig is stable and you have the right system, I think it's possible.

I've seen several Haddoni, but never one that had an off center mouth or evidence of post cut. On the other hand, I've seen and know quite a few people who believe they own cut Gigs.

I'm gonna frag one soon reguardless of the criticism I'm going to receive.

Gigantea are hard to get in the states, and being able to successfully frag one would be great.

I know..I know..."It won't survive long term." Yes, I've heard all the stories. I want to experience a story for myself and understand and draw my own conclusions.

I believe anything is possible. You just never know unless you try.


D-Nak said:
Yah I was pretty sure you weren't serious, but there are quite a few people who think it can be done, and they feed off of threads where people ask if it can be done.

It can't be done simply because haddoni are do not produce asexually (no cloning, no budding), so simply cutting it in half leaves you with half a haddoni. It may heal and live, but no one has ever reported long term success. Same with gigantea.

It would definitely be cool if it could be done successfully, because then we would've have to take so many from the wild. I'm torn by this because I've read that many carpets can be decades old and that clowns are rarely seen in the wild without an anemone host.

However, the ultimate goal would be to breed carpet anemones. I know that a few people have tried, but without much success.
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Reefahholic said:
IMO, I agree about a Haddoni being unfragable.

However, I'm not too sure about a Gigantea. I believe that once a gig is stable and you have the right system, I think it's possible.

I've seen several Haddoni, but never one that had an off center mouth or evidence of post cut. On the other hand, I've seen and know quite a few people who believe they own cut Gigs.

I'm gonna frag one soon reguardless of the criticism I'm going to receive.

Gigantea are hard to get in the states, and being able to successfully frag one would be great.

I know..I know..."It won't survive long term." Yes, I've heard all the stories. I want to experience a story for myself and understand and draw my own conclusions.

I believe anything is possible. You just never know unless you try.
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:bounce2:
 
Reefahholic said:
IMO, I agree about a Haddoni being unfragable.

However, I'm not too sure about a Gigantea. I believe that once a gig is stable and you have the right system, I think it's possible.

I've seen several Haddoni, but never one that had an off center mouth or evidence of post cut. On the other hand, I've seen and know quite a few people who believe they own cut Gigs.

I'm gonna frag one soon reguardless of the criticism I'm going to receive.

Gigantea are hard to get in the states, and being able to successfully frag one would be great.

I know..I know..."It won't survive long term." Yes, I've heard all the stories. I want to experience a story for myself and understand and draw my own conclusions.

I believe anything is possible. You just never know unless you try.
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You mean, like this guy?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2289406

And this person received a few cut gigs:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2267598

While I believe people do have cut gigs, and they are surviving, it could be that the gig was cut during collection and not a deliberate cut in half. I have yet to see photos of the fragging process, however I have seen many photos of deliberately cut gigs, and ALL of them died. There was a person in southern CA who was receiving cut gigs, but he eventually stopped selling them as a result of the backlash he received.

While I do understand that you want to experience the process for yourself, I have to disagree with you on this one -- anything is NOT possible, and sometimes not knowing something because you didn't try is better than trying and failing multiple times until you give up. A friend of mine reported seeing cut gigs many years ago while visiting exporters. You would think with easy access to gigs, fresh salt water, and huge raceways to hold the specimens, that someone would've figured it out by now. It simply isn't the case. While there are many cases of BTAs and mags cloning in reef tanks -- it completely makes sense because this is how it happens in the wild. However, with gigantea there is not a single case of someone reporting seeing a gig even start to split -- in our tanks or in their natural environment.
 
D-Nak said:
You mean, like this guy?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2289406

And this person received a few cut gigs:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2267598

While I believe people do have cut gigs, and they are surviving, it could be that the gig was cut during collection and not a deliberate cut in half. I have yet to see photos of the fragging process, however I have seen many photos of deliberately cut gigs, and ALL of them died. There was a person in southern CA who was receiving cut gigs, but he eventually stopped selling them as a result of the backlash he received.

While I do understand that you want to experience the process for yourself, I have to disagree with you on this one -- anything is NOT possible, and sometimes not knowing something because you didn't try is better than trying and failing multiple times until you give up. A friend of mine reported seeing cut gigs many years ago while visiting exporters. You would think with easy access to gigs, fresh salt water, and huge raceways to hold the specimens, that someone would've figured it out by now. It simply isn't the case. While there are many cases of BTAs and mags cloning in reef tanks -- it completely makes sense because this is how it happens in the wild. However, with gigantea there is not a single case of someone reporting seeing a gig even start to split -- in our tanks or in their natural environment.
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I sure wish we could get a good breeder Gig that was green!


When I frag one, you guys know I'll document it. If it dies, I'm not going to run away, but only tell how it happened. However, you will know because you will be along for the ride weekly if you stay tuned in.
 
Reefahholic said:
I sure wish we could get a good breeder Gig that was green!


When I frag one, you guys know I'll document it. If it dies, I'm not going to run away, but only tell how it happened. However, you will know because you will be along for the ride weekly if you stay tuned in.
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I respect your decision and you know I'm in. I definitely appreciate you taking the time to document it. At least we'll all see the process as it happens. It'll be a learning experience for all.
 
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