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IME ttm only stresses fish out before they even have a chance to adjust. Fish need to be comfortable. If they get stressed they lose their slime coat and hello ich. I've never qt tried ttm a couple times and all the fish die. Stress=ich


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I'm just going to +1 the no rabbits comment. My spotted rabbit fish has tripled in size in two months.

I also think that if you are happy with the eel and none of the current fish are showing signs of ich that you could opt to leave it alone. My powder blue used to get a few specks every few months in my old system.
 
If I get the fish out for 72 days into a QT tank, could the eel stay in the DT? I've heard mixed things about them and ich. Also, would a UV filter play any role?
 
I might get flack for saying this, but I'd bet $10 the eel would die during the 72 days in quarantine. So much poo, and getting temperature control and filtration and everything set up on that system would be really expensive and difficult.
 
You could get a kole tang many fairy and flasher wrasses can fit in a tank that size



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Correct me if i'm wrong but don't all fish have the ich parasite on them or the ability to contract ich when under stress? I thought Ich was a stress imposed issue and regardless of the 72 day fallow period there will ALWAYS be a risk for ich?

I'm curious of where the 72 day fallow period came from? Can you see ich or tell if ich is gone from a tank after 72 days?
 
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Correct me if i'm wrong but don't all fish have the ich parasite on them or the ability to contract ich when under stress? I thought Ich was a stress imposed issue and regardless of the 72 day fallow period there will ALWAYS be a risk for ich?



I'm curious of where the 72 day fallow period came from? Can you see ich or tell if ich is gone from a tank after 72 days?


Nope. Not all fish have ich. Google Tank Transfer method (TTM) if you want to ensure a fish doesn't have ich. The 72 days is the longest observed time a tromont (ich cyst) has hatched. Once they hatch, they have to find a fish or die, so if you leave your tank fishless for 76 days you are (within high probability) able to say that there are no ich parasites in your tank.


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Other than what has been mentioned about the aggressive fish, make sure you have a good acclimation process and quarantine them before putting them in your main tank. Ick will wipe out fish. I'm surprised you have any fish left at all. It sounds like your LFS isn't very good and keeps unhealthy fish.
 
I am not trying to start a fight. But my current tank has ich. Not showing any signs but my fish did have it. And it's been 3 years haven't lost a single fish to ich. Why. When my fish do get it then don't get covered maybe most 12 dots. And mostly just my hippo and wrasses get a few dots. I have even added 3 more tangs to tank and they didn't get it too. I just confused because so many on here write ich will kill your whole tank but it just hasn't with mine. Now many will write my fish are suffering but they all swim and eat like crazy and my hippo went from 2 inches to 7 inches They never scratch them self. If you look st my tank all fish are fat and healthy. If ich is such a killer then why are my fish ok.


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I am not trying to start a fight. But my current tank has ich. Not showing any signs but my fish did have it. And it's been 3 years haven't lost a single fish to ich. Why. When my fish do get it then don't get covered maybe most 12 dots. And mostly just my hippo and wrasses get a few dots. I have even added 3 more tangs to tank and they didn't get it too. I just confused because so many on here write ich will kill your whole tank but it just hasn't with mine. Now many will write my fish are suffering but they all swim and eat like crazy and my hippo went from 2 inches to 7 inches They never scratch them self. If you look st my tank all fish are fat and healthy. If ich is such a killer then why are my fish ok.


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I would say ich can be a killer. Take a fish that was newly caught, ship it halfway around the world, stick it in a tank for few days at a LFS, catch it again, and bring it to your tank. That fish is now weakened, and less likely to be able to fight it off. Your fish being well feed, not stressed, and overall healthy allows them to fight it off better.
 
Yes but I have added fish I added about 12 new fish last month. aren't all new fish stressed. I added a powdered blue that didn't get ich. I remember in 1992 when I started. No matter how long I qt a fish. If I added to my tank it would get ich and die. Whst changed now. Are they collecting fish better now. Trying to understand why so many on here treat ich likes aides. In my tank it's like a common cold. ?


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Yes but I have added fish I added about 12 new fish last month. aren't all new fish stressed. I added a powdered blue that didn't get ich. I remember in 1992 when I started. No matter how long I qt a fish. If I added to my tank it would get ich and die. Whst changed now. Are they collecting fish better now. Trying to understand why so many on here treat ich likes aides. In my tank it's like a common cold. ?


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Google "ick eradication vs. ick management". There is a ton of stuff out there about fish susceptibility and tolerance of ick.


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I have I been keeping saltwater fish for 25 years. ( when did I get this old). Just saying on here you hear empty your tank bleach everything keep your fish out fir 72 days. I did none of that. I have 30 fish added 12 since feb. the response is my fish are dealing with it. Or my fish are healthy and that's why. Doesn't seem like a scientific answer. Now maybe we don't have the knowledge to understand why. But I feel on here too many people state facts like it's the Bible or only way. In this hobby we are constantly learning new things. Maybe just maybe we don't know it all about ich or maybe I am just lucky with ich so far. Who really knows. But imo it's hard to say ich is suck a killer when many people ( manage) it just fine. Doesn't anyone want to know why it wipes out your tank but my tank is ok


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I'm just giving an example of what's happened to me in the past. If you guys can successfully keep fish with Ick in your tank, you are doing a lot better than me.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if the collection process, wholesale process and LFS processes have all improved so that we get much healthier fish than we did 25 years ago. It's in all of their best interests to keep as many fish alive as possible and provide us with healthier fish because they all realize we don't want to buy fish that will die in two days.
 
I have I been keeping saltwater fish for 25 years. ( when did I get this old). Just saying on here you hear empty your tank bleach everything keep your fish out fir 72 days. I did none of that. I have 30 fish added 12 since feb. the response is my fish are dealing with it. Or my fish are healthy and that's why. Doesn't seem like a scientific answer. Now maybe we don't have the knowledge to understand why. But I feel on here too many people state facts like it's the Bible or only way. In this hobby we are constantly learning new things. Maybe just maybe we don't know it all about ich or maybe I am just lucky with ich so far. Who really knows. But imo it's hard to say ich is suck a killer when many people ( manage) it just fine. Doesn't anyone want to know why it wipes out your tank but my tank is ok


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In my experience fish have better chance of fighting ich in an establish tank. There are certain organisms that are specialized in hunting protozoans. These range from filter feeders (like corals), small worms and crustaceans to other protozoans, amoebas and etc. It takes time for committees of these organisms to populate a tank. End process is what we call an establish aquarium, a small, artificial ecosystem. In an established tank like yours, there are far more predators that can keep the ich numbers in check. They cannot eradicate it, but they prevent a boom in ich numbers (similar to what a UV or ozone does). In a new tank ich is far more dangerous because there is no biological mechanism that limit its numbers.
 
In my experience fish have better chance of fighting ich in an establish tank. There are certain organisms that are specialized in hunting protozoans. These range from filter feeders (like corals), small worms and crustaceans to other protozoans, amoebas and etc. It takes time for committees of these organisms to populate a tank. End process is what we call an establish aquarium, a small, artificial ecosystem. In an established tank like yours, there are far more predators that can keep the ich numbers in check. They cannot eradicate it, but they prevent a boom in ich numbers (similar to what a UV or ozone does). In a new tank ich is far more dangerous because there is no biological mechanism that limit its numbers.



Makes sense. Plus I do run uv, I do have a lot of live rock with tons of sponges, worms and other stuff Maybe all this helps with the fish in fighting off ich.


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Anthony, I think you aren't the only one with a large, well established tank in which fish "overcome" ich. After all, this happens out on the reefs in nature so it makes sense. However, ich can and does wipe out whole tanks - glad that it hasn't happened to you, but the people who've had ich wipe out tanks (myself included) can testify that it can happen. Most newbies don't have a large established system, a really good husbandry routine nailed down, or the experience to successfully manage a system with chronic ich.

I would say, for the OP: with all the recent fish deaths that you might want to go fallow for the 72 days and then QT all new fish you get. If your tank was stable and thriving maybe you could see how it goes, but since it's symptomatic, so to speak, it seems like a good idea to treat the situation. I don't think there is a huge rush to tear the tank apart and remove the fish that are currently healthy. You would want to plan out your TTM or hospital tank set up, how you will do water changes and keep everybody healthy outside of the DT. The fallow period for the tank is easy - it just means no fish, and the tanks just sits there - you don't have to bleach the rock or anything like that.

Once you get your tank where you want it and stable, hopefully after completing a fallow period, there are lots of colorful, small-ish fish you could try. Chalk bass or other basslets, flasher wrasses, hawkfish, dart fish, blennies...lots of stuff. Don't despair - you'll get through this and be enjoying your tank again!
 
My current tank is only 4 months old. I had ich and the hippo in my 57. The 57 was 2 and years old. Plus I am not telling the op not to treat the ich. Just wondering what other people's experiences are with ich. Like I said many years ago I lost many fish to ich. This go around witch started 3 years ago hasn't been deadly. Msybe the white dots on the fish aren't ich in my case. Who knows


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