tom obrecht
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So does that mean you now are recommending the 250's?
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So does that mean you now are recommending the 250's?
tom obrecht
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Sorry to say no updates other than more issues. Had another disease outbreak (flukes) and it has wiped out everything (fish wise) other than a couple fish. Taking a look into the fuge a couple days ago I spotted flatworms. Rather than continue fighting I'm letting the tank go for now. Other than topping off the sump I'm not touching it. Haven't even wiped the tank down for a couple weeks now. I'm really contimplating what I'm going to do. I have an option I'm seriously considering but I won't discuss it at this time.
Yes, I know Joe. He and I go back a good amount of years back to the Bellevue Pet Center days.
Yes if you either click on my little red house or go back into the RC TOTM archives (May 2006) you can see my last system and the details. That tank was alot of fun. Corals grew like crazy and I had a huge fish load.
huskerreef
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Maybe if you hook up the ozonizer and just watch the rock work grow for a few months it will allow the system to really settle in with out any outside forces messing with it. That would at least take out the possabilities that your coral and fish additions and losses are contributing to your bad stretch. Its hard to say if you add one or two fish or corals that may have a pest or don't acclimate well and it dies that it throughs everything into turmoil and then you are adding additional equipment and tweaking things that it compounds the issues. If it was me at this point I would keep whatever is living today do 10% water changes every 2 weeks and sit back and see what happens. I would not change, touch or add any equipment or livestock with the exception of ozone. Live rock in its self is interesting to look at as the coraline grows in and you start getting some other thing showing up. And I would also consider what salt you are using, If I use instant ocean I get hair algae popping up, but with reef crystals no problems and I am not sure why. Good luck.
lvpd186
Reefing in NE
Tom,
I hope your able to turn things around. I can only imagine the frustration you are feeling. As for the lighting debate I would actually recommend going with the 250s. To use my tank as an example: I have (2) 175 10,000 XM lights supplemented by (2) VHO lights. I have never had a problem with "light shock" on a coral and I've had excellent growth (growth for sps, softy and lps corals). You could, since you already have the 400s change your bulb configuration. Maybe use some 14,000s mixed in with some 10,000s or even a 20,000k. Or you could also change your main lights over to 250s and then keep a single 400 with a 20,000k bulb. I missed Adams talk on lighting but I'm not too sure I understand the connection between light and current and how it would be ok to use 1000w MHs as long as you have enough flow. From keeping up with Tom's thread here I would say he has a ton of flow right now so why would 400w lights bleach his corals (the two vortexs alone are 6,000gph after all)? If I was you Tom I would try and force myself to take care of each problem one at a time. You said you have some flatworms; take care of them first. When you got that problem solved take on the next one. I'm sure over time you'll get it set the way you want it. (hows that for a rambling post
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I hope your able to turn things around. I can only imagine the frustration you are feeling. As for the lighting debate I would actually recommend going with the 250s. To use my tank as an example: I have (2) 175 10,000 XM lights supplemented by (2) VHO lights. I have never had a problem with "light shock" on a coral and I've had excellent growth (growth for sps, softy and lps corals). You could, since you already have the 400s change your bulb configuration. Maybe use some 14,000s mixed in with some 10,000s or even a 20,000k. Or you could also change your main lights over to 250s and then keep a single 400 with a 20,000k bulb. I missed Adams talk on lighting but I'm not too sure I understand the connection between light and current and how it would be ok to use 1000w MHs as long as you have enough flow. From keeping up with Tom's thread here I would say he has a ton of flow right now so why would 400w lights bleach his corals (the two vortexs alone are 6,000gph after all)? If I was you Tom I would try and force myself to take care of each problem one at a time. You said you have some flatworms; take care of them first. When you got that problem solved take on the next one. I'm sure over time you'll get it set the way you want it. (hows that for a rambling post
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lvpd186
Reefing in NE
Ok Ray, I read your review on what Adams was talking about. From what I read in to it the theory is that in order to have high flow you need to compensate for loss of light by increasing the amount of light. I hope he had some testing or empirical data to back up his theory (I only mention this since it wasn't mentioned in your write up). Does that mean the reverse is true; meaning if I have much less flow I can have less light and still have healthy corals. That would be a rhetorical question.
Also, like I posted before, Tom does have a high flow tank so according to that theory it should not bother the corals to have intense lighting. I think I tend to believe in more of what Calfo was talking about; ie you must have a balance of light and food (delivered by flow of course) to having thriving corals. I believe he used some example numbers, not scientific, to explain his theory. So if a coral derives 80% of its energy from light (photosynthesis) it must get the remaining amount from something else like food (after all if corals didn't eat why do they have polyps to catch food) in order to really thrive. That theory makes sense to me. From what I understand about coral bleaching due to light it occurs because of the sudden increase in light causes stress. This stress causes the coral to expel it's zooxanthellae algae. If the stress ends, or in this case the coral adapts to the light, the coral will regain it's zooxanthellae algae. If the stress lasts too long the coral will die off.Sorry to hijack your thread Tom. What color spectrum of lights are you using anyway?
tom obrecht
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First of all thanks to all who have replied with their viewpoints and advice. This has become quite the issue...lighting that is. I currently have another thread going on in the Wisconsin forum as well and just like here I have varying viewpoints. I'm almost more confused after asking the question than when I started!
lvpd...I'm currently using the 400 watt Reflux 12K bulbs. They are a bit bluer than I care for, but at this point I'm not switching until I decide on what I'm going to do.
lvpd...I'm currently using the 400 watt Reflux 12K bulbs. They are a bit bluer than I care for, but at this point I'm not switching until I decide on what I'm going to do.
tom obrecht
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Thought I would update things with some pictures. First of all I received my Vortec wireless drivers today. I'm still playing with what mode works best but so far they seem to work well.
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Here are some of the tank. I've added quite a few corals most of which look nothing like the photos here. My skills in photography are poor.
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Here are some of the tank. I've added quite a few corals most of which look nothing like the photos here. My skills in photography are poor.
tom obrecht
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tom obrecht
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As you can see from the last picture I have added ONE fish...a potters angel. I couldn't refuse for a local reefer was selling his tank and he had it for 2 years and was eating everything. He has already started eating and is bold. Very cool fish! Yes Ray I have added one fish...but only one!!
tom obrecht
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Thanks. I think I might FINALLY be over the hurdle! Fish health has improved, flatworms are gone, getting some very nice sps colonies and they seem to happy and growing. All the equipment seems to be working and now with the Vortec drivers I can get some chaotic water movt. Now I'm just taking my time adding some of the fish I have on my list and continue adding corals. I've been getting some awesome pieces from the Chicago store I frequent. More pics to come in the future.
tom obrecht
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The tank is continuing to mature. I've added a number of new colonies, sold what few lps and softies I had and added a few new fish as well. I do have one new "BIG" surpise coming for all of you watching this thread...but more on that later.
I'm trying to get new photos posted but my camera is on the blink. WIll try my best to get things up and running soon!
tom obrecht
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I hope to have the "BIG" surprise by the end of March and pictures much sooner than that.
tom obrecht
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Well as it turns out I can't keep my promise of pics before the end of March. Sorry. I'm having to bring in reinforcements to solve the download problem. Hopefully soon.
As far as the surprise goes I can't give it away quite yet but I think it will be soon.
As far as the surprise goes I can't give it away quite yet but I think it will be soon.
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