Has everyone seen this? Just read the ad copy. They have a banner ad here on RC. I'll just leave it at that.....
:eek2:
http://www.nosickfish.com/
:eek2:
http://www.nosickfish.com/
No Sick Fish, No QT, No water change
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nossalucard
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It works on itchy skin too!!!! :lol:
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Anthony Calfo
New member
wow... three steps to success: pick you problem, pick your product, make your purchase.
I'm wondering if these folks have a dating service?
I'm thinking Nobel prize on the horizon.
I'm wondering if these folks have a dating service?
I'm thinking Nobel prize on the horizon.
MiddletonMark
Premium Member
Talked to the fellow at IMAC, seemed like a decent fellow.
Don't believe the product claims, but frankly - prefer to QT as I see other [behavioral] benefits from a stress-free tank in my basement, where the only `human interaction' my fish get for the first month is when I'm around to feed.
By the time they make the display, they're coming out when I walk past the tank, eating well, and looking good.
If they had a bottle for that, I'd think about it
Don't believe the product claims, but frankly - prefer to QT as I see other [behavioral] benefits from a stress-free tank in my basement, where the only `human interaction' my fish get for the first month is when I'm around to feed.
By the time they make the display, they're coming out when I walk past the tank, eating well, and looking good.
If they had a bottle for that, I'd think about it
Anthony Calfo
New member
Nice fellow or not, I cannot imagine how the he/mfg can quantify or back up the claims "no qt" needed, "no water changes," etc.
The product also lists no ingredients I can see.
If this chap wants to distance himself from other products known to be fraudulent or "snake oil", he needs to clarify.
Some consideration for responsible marketing would help too.
The product also lists no ingredients I can see.
If this chap wants to distance himself from other products known to be fraudulent or "snake oil", he needs to clarify.
Some consideration for responsible marketing would help too.
MiddletonMark
Premium Member
You got that right.
But in this hobby, responsible marketing isn't practiced by that many. This is not very impressive, I agree ... but not that much different IMO than profiteering, poorly chosen livestock to sell, and that end.
Sadly, the crappy LFS in my town has another set of products to confuse newbies
And the good ones one more way to distinguish themselves
But in this hobby, responsible marketing isn't practiced by that many. This is not very impressive, I agree ... but not that much different IMO than profiteering, poorly chosen livestock to sell, and that end.
Sadly, the crappy LFS in my town has another set of products to confuse newbies
And the good ones one more way to distinguish themselves
Anthony Calfo
New member
very true... and sometimes it is or at least feels like the best we can do as conscientious aquarists, mentors, merchants, etc is what amounts to triage: help those that want the help/be advised... those that will listen. And don't stop to take the time to ponder about the slow or resistant ones.
It's a huge industry/hobby.
In the time it takes to convince a stubborn consumer of something they will learn (or cause them to fail or leave the hobby)... we can help several/many more folks who are willing to listen/learn or consider alternates in their information gather process.
I can appreciate that the familiar names in this thread do this indeed as y'all travel the boards and help folks/share opinions.
And I sincerely do not want to see any good merchant fail. Quite the contrary!
I would encourage this chap to consider such feedback. If potential consumers have reservations, founded or unfounded, do tailor that marketing to correct that. Starting with a product information page that actually has information about the product stating how it works, and not merely that it is just the best thing since sliced bread. Seriously
It's a huge industry/hobby.
In the time it takes to convince a stubborn consumer of something they will learn (or cause them to fail or leave the hobby)... we can help several/many more folks who are willing to listen/learn or consider alternates in their information gather process.
I can appreciate that the familiar names in this thread do this indeed as y'all travel the boards and help folks/share opinions.
And I sincerely do not want to see any good merchant fail. Quite the contrary!
I would encourage this chap to consider such feedback. If potential consumers have reservations, founded or unfounded, do tailor that marketing to correct that. Starting with a product information page that actually has information about the product stating how it works, and not merely that it is just the best thing since sliced bread. Seriously
when i talked to him at IMAC, he said "it works instantly 85% of the time". and it works on tumors. I mean i havn't heard of a product that will change how we keep fish since the eco aqualizer, which "won product of the year in 2003". It seems a bit on the expensive side, but then again arn't all good products?
Anthony Calfo
New member
If I'd had more tea with breakfast, I think I would have become suddenly and spastically incontinent with that eco-aqualizer comment. 
Fantastically funny
Fantastically funny
I didn't reallize that their were "multiple strains" of ich. Maybe cryptocaryon irritans has evolved into a bacteria? Maybe when you add marc weiss reef vital DNA it makes the parasite morph into a super parasite. As far as i know copper kills both "difficult strains", and costs a heck of alot less, and you can probably set up a quarantine tank with the money you save to use it in. maybe the water and food coloring in the "no sick fish" medication isn't effective against "both strains", but if you add another 50$ bottle you would get better results.
Anthony Calfo
New member
ahhh... very good point! (seriously here)
A Qt tank is less expensive and has many other merits. Magic meds can't physically remove pests and predators (Aiptasia, fish lice/isopods, predatory worms, snails, and other various undesirable hitchhikers).
That's assuming that said magic med can(!) cure every known pathogen so as to even begin to fairly assert the claim of no QT needed (with regard only for pathogens). And I know of no such proven silver bullet of a med.
A bare bottomed ten gallon tank new costs $10-ish (less on sale or mere dollars used). A sponge filter and small air pump for QT style (sterilizable) filtration plus aeration. Thermometer. Plastic plant or PVC pipe (again... non-porous objects for sanitation). Hang on heater if room is not climate controlled. Glass cover (piece of plastic, whatever.
We are talking well under $100 for a QT tank with lights. And that's a gross underestimate. With sales and/or used gear... it often is under $50. And one of the the best (and most necessary) investments of any long-term successful marine hobbyists.
To run without QT for your new livestock is like playing Russian roulette, as sometimes say... nobody wins the game - some (aquarists) just get to play (risk) a little longer than others
Tragedies of introduced predators and disease can be removed or at least reduced drastically by proper QT protocol. Merely 4-8 weeks of patience.
You'll be hard pressed to find a single hatchery, fishery, public aquarium or professional aquarist that does not use QT. That says a lot.
A Qt tank is less expensive and has many other merits. Magic meds can't physically remove pests and predators (Aiptasia, fish lice/isopods, predatory worms, snails, and other various undesirable hitchhikers).
That's assuming that said magic med can(!) cure every known pathogen so as to even begin to fairly assert the claim of no QT needed (with regard only for pathogens). And I know of no such proven silver bullet of a med.
A bare bottomed ten gallon tank new costs $10-ish (less on sale or mere dollars used). A sponge filter and small air pump for QT style (sterilizable) filtration plus aeration. Thermometer. Plastic plant or PVC pipe (again... non-porous objects for sanitation). Hang on heater if room is not climate controlled. Glass cover (piece of plastic, whatever.
We are talking well under $100 for a QT tank with lights. And that's a gross underestimate. With sales and/or used gear... it often is under $50. And one of the the best (and most necessary) investments of any long-term successful marine hobbyists.
To run without QT for your new livestock is like playing Russian roulette, as sometimes say... nobody wins the game - some (aquarists) just get to play (risk) a little longer than others
Tragedies of introduced predators and disease can be removed or at least reduced drastically by proper QT protocol. Merely 4-8 weeks of patience.
You'll be hard pressed to find a single hatchery, fishery, public aquarium or professional aquarist that does not use QT. That says a lot.
Anthony Calfo
New member
Today I received an e-mail from Tyler of "No Sick Fish" that was most impressive. It was clear, frank, considerate and to me... desirous of sharing information about his/their product in a constructive response to questions/concerns from aquarists.
He has invited me to share his message, and in support of merchants intent on doping good business... I am quite happy to do so.
My thanks and kudos to Tyler/No Sick Fish for taking a patient and professional approach to legitimate consumer questions/concerns for their product.
Best of luck/life to all
Anthony
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The pasted content of Tyler's address follows here verbatim. Again... kudos for the effort. It will be great to watch the product/company and product evolve. Offering samples to aquarists (without sales... impressive) at national trade shows is indeed good business and good faith. Quite so... confidence in their product.
If any aquarists have tried the product and care to offer an honest/respectful review of it... it is welcome here.
From Tyler at NSF:
"When I say ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œNo QTââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ I am not implying that you never need to qt your
fish. I think quarantining is very important in fish care. When I say
ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œNo QTââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ I am implying that you do not need to quarantine your fish in
order to use our product. You do not need to QT your fish because it is
a reef safe product. It is meant to be used in the show tank.
I agree that QT is a proven method and it does work. When you cant
quarantine your fish, or you donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t want to...etc etc... this is a very
good option.
ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œNo water changes necessaryââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ We are not implying that you never have to
change your water again, nor would I ever recommend that. We do not
sell ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œFish never get sick again medicineââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â. When we say ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œno water
changesââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ we are implying that you do not need to change or do partial water
changes with our medicine before you begin or when you are done. Many
customers have asked us if they need to change their water when they
are finished to remove the chemical from the water. No they do not,
that is the only thing that is implied by ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œno water changesââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â
When I was at IMAC I did not try to sell one bottle. All I did was
give away the product. The medicine sells it self. Every one at IMAC that
has taken the chance to try the medicine loved it. I received
telephone callââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s stating ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œI know why the medicine costs so muchââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ Ã¢â"šÂ¬Ã…"œ Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s the best stuff I have ever usedââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â"
He has invited me to share his message, and in support of merchants intent on doping good business... I am quite happy to do so.
My thanks and kudos to Tyler/No Sick Fish for taking a patient and professional approach to legitimate consumer questions/concerns for their product.
Best of luck/life to all
Anthony
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The pasted content of Tyler's address follows here verbatim. Again... kudos for the effort. It will be great to watch the product/company and product evolve. Offering samples to aquarists (without sales... impressive) at national trade shows is indeed good business and good faith. Quite so... confidence in their product.
If any aquarists have tried the product and care to offer an honest/respectful review of it... it is welcome here.
From Tyler at NSF:
"When I say ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œNo QTââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ I am not implying that you never need to qt your
fish. I think quarantining is very important in fish care. When I say
ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œNo QTââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ I am implying that you do not need to quarantine your fish in
order to use our product. You do not need to QT your fish because it is
a reef safe product. It is meant to be used in the show tank.
I agree that QT is a proven method and it does work. When you cant
quarantine your fish, or you donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t want to...etc etc... this is a very
good option.
ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œNo water changes necessaryââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ We are not implying that you never have to
change your water again, nor would I ever recommend that. We do not
sell ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œFish never get sick again medicineââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â. When we say ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œno water
changesââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ we are implying that you do not need to change or do partial water
changes with our medicine before you begin or when you are done. Many
customers have asked us if they need to change their water when they
are finished to remove the chemical from the water. No they do not,
that is the only thing that is implied by ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œno water changesââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â
When I was at IMAC I did not try to sell one bottle. All I did was
give away the product. The medicine sells it self. Every one at IMAC that
has taken the chance to try the medicine loved it. I received
telephone callââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s stating ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œI know why the medicine costs so muchââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ Ã¢â"šÂ¬Ã…"œ Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s the best stuff I have ever usedââ"šÂ¬Ã‚Â"
NicoleC
New member
Alas, I am very skeptical of a medicine that does not state the active ingredient. (Or ANY ingredients.) Tyler may have the best intentions, but without such a critical piece of information, no such product will go in my tank.
He may want to reconsider his ad campaign. A flashing banner that says "No Water Changes - Ever!" is unlikely to attract complimentary interest from informed hobbyists.
He may want to reconsider his ad campaign. A flashing banner that says "No Water Changes - Ever!" is unlikely to attract complimentary interest from informed hobbyists.
Anthony Calfo
New member
very well stated, Nicole.
Indeed... I am known to regularly make the statement that, "I won't eat anything that doesn't have a list of ingredients in it... and I sure won't put any such thing in my aquarium with countless lives depending on me, and many thousands of dollars invested."
On reply to Tyler, I have respectfully asked him to share information about the nature of his product. If not the ingredients, then the nature of the matter at least (antibiotic, homeopathic like yeast cell derivatives, etc, etc.).
Time will tell if this is a good product or not. There is lots of cause for concern at this point from superlative claims that are not clearly defined.
Tyler does indeed seem to be aware of consumer doubts here.
Indeed... I am known to regularly make the statement that, "I won't eat anything that doesn't have a list of ingredients in it... and I sure won't put any such thing in my aquarium with countless lives depending on me, and many thousands of dollars invested."
On reply to Tyler, I have respectfully asked him to share information about the nature of his product. If not the ingredients, then the nature of the matter at least (antibiotic, homeopathic like yeast cell derivatives, etc, etc.).
Time will tell if this is a good product or not. There is lots of cause for concern at this point from superlative claims that are not clearly defined.
Tyler does indeed seem to be aware of consumer doubts here.
Randall_James
Premium Member
Just kind of disheartening to see ReefCentral sell access to the members here on a product of "dubious" content. Perhaps if there were a line of members that had in fact tried the "Stuff" and could vouch for it. I fear the same problems faced by any Ich treatment. "I feed my fish ginger for 1 week and the ich went away" (sound familiar?) Next time I will feed my fish taco sauce for a week and scare the ich away with capcium oil.
Anthony Calfo
New member
from an advertising/sales perspective... RC cannot easily prejudice against sponsors that meet the same requirements as others.
Nor should they IMO.
The forums are for discussions, the banners are for advertising that supports the forums (read: pays the bills).
There is also the issue of who gets to say what products have value and which do not?
I see your point my friend, but RC is just not in the business of consumer product testing, and as such... cannot pass judgment.
Again... that's what productive forum discussions are for
Nor should they IMO.
The forums are for discussions, the banners are for advertising that supports the forums (read: pays the bills).
There is also the issue of who gets to say what products have value and which do not?
I see your point my friend, but RC is just not in the business of consumer product testing, and as such... cannot pass judgment.
Again... that's what productive forum discussions are for
Randall_James
Premium Member
Well one can only hope that the product does no harm I suppose. I do know that RC does in fact limit advertising in the forums however to only "fish" related business.
I am however in the group with NicoleC that does not induce unlabeled products into my tanks. Just so hard to substantiate claims made by a product like this one or any other for ich.
I am however in the group with NicoleC that does not induce unlabeled products into my tanks. Just so hard to substantiate claims made by a product like this one or any other for ich.
