NPS Corals That Thrive On Phytoplankton

Romulox234

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Im going to start a culture of phtyo and i plan to feed my tank everyday with it, are there and NPS corals that will survive and grow on phyto and dont need chunks of meaty foods floating around all the time to survive.

I dont mean that i will have a system and constantly supply phyto to the tank 24/7 i just mean spot feeding it to corals every day.

Thanks,
 
I don't know of any the way I was told was that phyto is for the plankton in your tank to eat and the corals eat the plankton. Im sure are could be some corals that take it in it's worth looking into IMO.
 
I dont know what strain, i planned on using phyto feast as a starter because thats whay i have and the strain would end up being the on that survives my conditions the best
 
It seems to be commonly believed now that phytoplankton comprises at least part of the diet of Dendronephthya, though I am unaware of any definitive proof of such. A few people have had reasonable success with Dendronephthya in tanks that use a large amount of phyto, but these tanks are also fed with a lot of other things.

Here's the reality of the situation: The non-photosynthetic corals that require the "meaty food" are in general far easier to keep than the ones that feed on very small food, such as phyto. Spot feeding for the small-mouthed non-photo corals is simply not feasible. They eat small amounts over long periods of time and will only take in so much at any time; ie. they won't eat meals. Thus, they require an almost constant supply of food, along with a proper current, to thrive. That's not to say that adding phyto to your tank is a waste. Phyto can be beneficial for growing small fauna in your tank, which then in turn can feed some of your corals. However, I would stay away from any potential obligate phyto-eating coral unless you are willing to provide more than spot-feeding.
 
I just think it would be more easy for me to spot feed them very day because theres no way i can constantly have food circulating in my tank 24/7
 
No doubt spot feeding is easier than having a setup for keeping food in circulation 24/7. However, it simply isn't effective for the corals that would possibly eat phyto unless you're willing to feed at least every hour. Think of it this way; if the most you could fit in your mouth at once was a crumb and yet you had to eat as much as you need to survive within a few minutes once or twice a day, you would waste away and die.

The non-photo corals that eat larger meatier food, on the other hand, can be spot fed effectively because they can take in much larger portions at once. This is perhaps the biggest reason why people have had much more success with large-polyped non-photo corals, ie. Tubastrea sp., Dendrophyllia sp., etc, than they have had with such corals as Dendronephthya and Scleronephthya.
 
That is true, but what i was asking about was if there was a coral that would be able to be spot feed like a tubastrea and still survive just replace the meaty food with phyto,
 
continuous feeding is easy, it just takes using some creativity or unconventional equipment (for the aquarium hobby)... you can use a syringe pump for the liquid diets, or an auto feeder for fine particulates, or a kalk reactor for frozen foods (or a combination of all 3). IMO the problem is not getting them enough food as much as maintaining clean water over a long period of time. This has been my #1 problem. I am now at the point where I have to do daily water changes because my tank is saturated with organic waste. I simply can't do daily water changes over the long term. I'm currently working on getting an ozone reactor set up in hopes to raise water quality and allow myself to get by with 2x/wk water changes. Ideally you would have a setup like chingchai. A small NPS tank connected to a monster, low nutrient system.
 
What if i feed the phyto to roifiers or mysis would and then feed that to my tank would that be better to do and keep some nps corals alive too?
 
Any continuous feeding apparatus, as uhuru stated, is nothing too complex. But, the implications of doing it and the required maintenance of water quality is not easy. Spot feeding is much easier because it is not unlike feeding fish. Sure, you still have to worry about water quality issues, but not really any more than you would with a moderately stocked fish-only tank.

The fact is that continuous feeding, in a holistic sense, is not simple or easy. I've been working with continuous feeding methods for almost 3 years now. The methods for adding food into the tank are not difficult. But, for all the work I've done with it, I still have little confidence answering any of the following questions:

1. How much food needs to be added? - The simple answer is that you feed a ton of food and, with some hope, you're feeding enough to keep your corals thriving. However, it is very difficult, especially with corals like Dendronephthya, to know whether you're feeding sufficiently. Failure with these corals could mean any number of things, not just starvation. Success with them demonstrates that we're at least meeting the minimum requirements. But then, we simply do not have enough success stories to be able to reliably reproduce this success.

2. How much food is being wasted? - My guess would be a very high percentage is wasted. Some of the food will go to feed microfauna that may in tern feed other corals. However, this won't do much good for corals like Dendronephthya, which feed won't feed on pods.

3. With so much food that we are adding, along with likely a carbon source like vodka to help manage nutrients, what are the implications of the correspondingly high bacterial biomass? - Many people have observed thick bacterial biofilms throughout their tank using continuous feeding along with carbon dosing. There is no doubt that the amount of bacteria in high nutrient systems is much higher than in the typical low-nutrient reef tank. We have little grasp of what this could mean in the long term. It brings in the question of the myriad roles that bacteria play in any system. Is it possible that we're setting ourselves up for catastrophe at some point down the line? I don't think anyone has had such a setup for long enough to know.

4. Should we use a skimmer? - I've found that a skimmer is indispensable for keeping these systems. However, as many others have pointed out, it is quite likely that the skimmer is simply removing the bulk of the food that I am adding making the whole system rather inefficient. Perhaps if I didn't have a skimmer I could feed a lot less and therefore would not need it and rely on water changes alone. A lot of people have dabbled with this idea. The problem is that many of these people (and I have the same problem myself) are impatient and want to add the pretty corals immediately. I think if such a system were to work, it would take a lot of time and discipline simply getting it ready to add non-photo corals. No doubt a good amount of food would probably still need to be added, but perhaps this could be a much more efficient and possibly more stable system.
 
That was very informative thanks for telling me that, i guess that there would be no way to keep nps corals without completly poluting my tank with all the food,

Sponges? ive always wanted to try keeping sponges, are there any draw backs to them?
 
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