Overdose possible?

rogergolf66

im an addict lol
Ok I started dosing (aminoAcid) and pohl's coral vitalizer. The amino is same brand as vitalizer. I started out the gate dosing recommended dosage amounts. Polyp extension was amazing in just a few days. After a couple weeks I noticed some corals that previously had great color now r starting to get very light in color. Not all the corals but a lot of them maybe 9 out of 90. So i was just curious if u thought it could have been that what caused it? What does happen if it was overdosed for example does anyone know?

Is there any other reason this could have happened that I'm not thinking about?

Tank parameters have all been steady and good. The only other changes was that I added a co2 scrubber on my skimmer to help raise the ph a bit it. now hangs around 8.0 it was closer to 7.8.

Alk 9.1 salifert tested 4 days a week
Cal 445 salifert
Po4 0.00-0.03 depending on week Hanna
Nitrate 0 salifert

Roger
 
I'm running a full zeo tank. the AA or CV are over dosed there will be a slight increase in po4 and possible browning of Sps. I would look into your lighting or lower nutrients as the cause.Hi All,
We all know that the ZEOvit additives are good stuff; both safe and effective when used as directed. But sometimes through our own error of adding too much of an additive , or the accumulation of a particular substance, we can experience unexpected results.


This thread is intended to be a troubleshooting guide for beginners and experienced ZEOheads alike. Much of the preliminary information for this thread was gathered from http://www.shadowramysreef.com with permission.


I'd like to break the additives down into 2 basic categories: organic and inorganic. "Organic" means living, biological, or food. "Inorganic" means mineral based, or non-living. If you believe something has been miscategorized please let me know.


Feel free to add your experiences with these additives and we will update this post as necessary.


Listed below are all of the ZEO additives.


Organic:
In general, overdosing organic substances leads to all kinds of undesirable results such as nuisance algae, cyano, bacteria blooms, etc.

Amino Acid LPS
Intended use: Coral food
Positive results: Growth, general color, PE
OD Symptoms: Brown & light green film, darkening

Amino Acid HC
Intended use: Coral food
Positive results: Growth, general color, PE
OD Symptoms: Brown & light green film, darkening

Sponge Power
Intended use: Increased sponge growth
Positive results: Enhanced coral growth, thicker tissue, increased sponge growth
OD Symptoms: Brown film

ZEObac
Intended use: Establish biological filtration, coral food
Positive results: Nutrient reduction, color enhancer
OD Symptoms: Browning, darkening , transparent slimy patches

ZEOfood7
Intended use: Increase coral and bacteria growth.
Positive results: Nitrate and nitrite are reduced
OD Symptoms: Nuisance algae, cyano, darkening, brown film

ZEOlive
Intended use: Liquid filter medium, remove yellowing compounds, nitrate, phosphate
Positive results:
OD Symptoms:

ZEOstart2
Intended use: Accelerates the cycling process in new tanks, color enhancer, soft coral growth and PE
Positive results: Growth , PO4 und NO3 reduction
OD Symptoms: brown film forming air bubbles at lighting period

ZEOzym
Intended use: Improved biological functions, Better coral growth, Cleaner sand, Helps combat slime algae & cyanobacteria, improved skimming
Positive results: Reduced sludge on live rock and sand.
OD Symptoms: Temporary yellowing of water , temporary increase of PO4 in older nutrient richer systems

Inorganic:
In general, overdosing inorganic substances can lead to severe problems due to toxicity. STN and RTN are 2 forms of tissue death we can experience.

Zeolites
Intended use: Polish water, remove toxins
Positive results: Clearer water, lower nutrients
OD Symptoms: Pale coral colors and reduced PE due to rapid nutrient reduction, RTN, coral death

Carbon
Intended use: Nitrate and phosphate removal
Positive results: Clearer water
OD Symptoms: Pale coral colors and reduced PE due to rapid nutrient reduction, burnt tips

Calcium Plus
Intended use: Increases calcium
Positive results: Increased calcium levels
OD Symptoms: Precipitation

Iodide Complex
Intended use: Color enhancer, aid crustation molting
Positive results: Lower death rate during crustation molting, PE
OD Symptoms: Yellow corals turn green, darkening of SPS, increase of cyano if they are already established in the system

Iron
Intended use: Color enhancer
Positive results: Increased green color
OD Symptoms: Nuisance algae growth, green shimmer on yellow corals , darkening of SPS tissue

KH Plus
Intended use: Increases alkalinity
Positive results: Coral growth, natural alk levels (6.5-7.5 dKH)*
* SeaChem Reef Salt user should aim for 8.5dKH
OD Symptoms: High alk readings, burnt tips

Coral Snow
Intended use: Nutrient delivery, secondary biological facilitator
Positive results: Can remove cyano
OD Symptoms:

Magnesium Complex
Intended use: Raise magnesium levels
Positive results: Increased growth, stabile calcium and alk
OD Symptoms: High magnesium readings, burnt tips

B-Balance
Intended use: Color enhancer
Positive results: Slow lighting in SPS tissue, increase of coloration
OD Symptoms:

Coral Vitalizer
Intended use: Coral food
Positive results: Coral growth, PE
OD Symptoms: Brown film

K-Balance Potassium (Strong)
Intended use: Raise potassium levels, increase growth and coloration
Positive results: Natural K+ levels (380-400mg/l) , increase in several colors, PE, thicker tissue, growth
OD Symptoms: Burnt tips, darkening, algae growth, brown film

Xtra
Intended use: Color and growth enhancer
Positive results: increase of SPS coral coloration / tips
OD Symptoms: Darkening

Potassium Iodide Fluoride
Intended use: enhances blue colors
Positive results: increase of several colors / PE
OD Symptoms: Darkening, yellow corals turn green , increase of cyano if already established in the system

Strontium Complex
Intended use: Growth enhancer
Positive results:
OD Symptoms:

Stylo-Pocci-Glow
Intended use: Specifically for seriatopora, stylophora and poccilopora. This supplement will bring out the original color of these animals with daily dosing.
Positive results: slow lighting of tissue in those corals
OD Symptoms: if continuous overdosed in high quantities clams might retract

ZEOspur
Intended use: Color enhancer, trace elements
Positive results: Lighting of SPS tissue, increase of several colors
OD Symptoms: Bleaching

ZEOspur Macro
Intended use: Contains various metal salts, trace elements
Positive results: Coloration
OD Symptoms: Darkening

ZEOspur2
Intended use: Color enhancer, trace elements
Positive results: Lighting of SPS tissue, increase of several colors
OD Symptoms: Bleaching
 
Wow that is the best most detailed response to a question I have ever got. Thanks so much!!! After reading this whole thing I think maybe it was caused from carbon. I don't normally run carbon but I do every so often. I only ran about 50% recommended dose for 2 days then took it off line but that sounds similar to what I see. Is there anything I can do to help save this coral?

Roger
 
Wow that is the best most detailed response to a question I have ever got. Thanks so much!!! After reading this whole thing I think maybe it was caused from carbon. I don't normally run carbon but I do every so often. I only ran about 50% recommended dose for 2 days then took it off line but that sounds similar to what I see. Is there anything I can do to help save this coral?

Roger

what kind of GAC / carbon ?


goto the Zeovit site, all these info are listed there, and more.
 
I don't know lfs sells it in bulk. Its very fine small peices

well that's the Issue ....
you are probably using Rox 8 from vertex, which is too harsh on corals, in low nutrition tanks.

switch to Seachem MAtrix. or KZ GAC.

continue AA dosing, corals will come back. your other thread is probably linked to this too.

GL.
 
Call lfs its two little gushiest hydro carbon. I think so 2 on the other thread its similler to these with lighter color but its also loosing its polyps. So is this carbon to harsh?
 
I would think and hope its the carbon :)

about the PE .... it COULD be AEFW .... so do inspect it closly for pests as well.

problem with potent carbon and low nutrition system is that evenif you use it fro 2 days a month, it will remove DOCS way too fast and shock corals. so ...
 
Call lfs its two little gushiest hydro carbon. I think so 2 on the other thread its similler to these with lighter color but its also loosing its polyps. So is this carbon to harsh?
 
What a fantastically informative thread, I bookmarked as well. I'm researching these additives for several reasons:

SPS aren't vibrant, especially greens & blues
I thought my Chaeto could use some Iron food
I don't want to feed my green hair algae issue, so I need to make sure the additives I chose are appropriate. Here's what peaks my interest:

Amino Acid HC
Intended use: Coral food
Positive results: Growth, general color, PE
OD Symptoms: Brown & light green film, darkening

ZEOzym
Intended use: Improved biological functions, Better coral growth, Cleaner sand, Helps combat slime algae & cyanobacteria, improved skimming
Positive results: Reduced sludge on live rock and sand. I have algae debris on my sand, not cyano, but more diatoms, would this apply?

OD Symptoms: Temporary yellowing of water , temporary increase of PO4 in older nutrient richer systems


Iodide Complex
Intended use: Color enhancer, aid crustation molting
Positive results: Lower death rate during crustation molting, PE
OD Symptoms: Yellow corals turn green, darkening of SPS, increase of cyano if they are already established in the system

B-Balance
Intended use: Color enhancer
Positive results: Slow lighting in SPS tissue, increase of coloration

Coral Vitalizer
Intended use: Coral food
Positive results: Coral growth, PE
OD Symptoms: Brown film

K-Balance Potassium (Strong)
Intended use: Raise potassium levels, increase growth and coloration
Positive results: Natural K+ levels (380-400mg/l) , increase in several colors, PE, thicker tissue, growth
OD Symptoms: Burnt tips, darkening, algae growth, brown film

Xtra
Intended use: Color and growth enhancer
Positive results: increase of SPS coral coloration / tips
OD Symptoms: Darkening

Potassium Iodide Fluoride
Intended use: enhances blue colors
Positive results: increase of several colors / PE
OD Symptoms: Darkening, yellow corals turn green , increase of cyano if already established in the system

Please chime in with suggestions, I've never met an expert on these products before. My tank is 120 gal. :fish1:
 
we need to know more about your tank to be able to help.

are you using Zeovit ? or probiotic methods ? or do you use a fuge for nutrition removal ?

if fuge, then ZZ woudnlt be that much help, you need to increase ure Fuge area/ procustivity to lower algae in main tank.

if you are trying to get rid of algae altogether, fuge or DT, then start carbon dosing :)
 
Hi there - No, I don't use any Zeovit, I have a fuge with live rock and Chaeto.

I'll do some more research on carbon dosing. Thank you!
 

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