overflow box help

Murphs205

gotta love saltwater.....
i am setting up a 36" long overflow box/surface skimmer for my new tank ,,, its 36'L X4"H x5"W using "Beans" standpipes. tank is already drilled for overflow and returns , i need the slots cut in the front plate , 3/8 spacing 1" deep. anyone know who or where i can get this done ? i DONT want a hack job , i can do that just fine myself ... i want it done uniform and right the first time , help me out if you know someone who has access to a CNC , Bridgeport, or any milling machine and can do this

Murph
 
Is your new tank acrylic? I take it that you are trying to make the box out of acrylic and your tank is glass. You may have some issues bonding it to the glass since it would not be supported from the bottom. You could check with GEO to see if he can make you one.
 
i have the end mills if he doesn't , carbide, nitrate coated or HHS. I have all 3 , and a few hundred more
 
its glass Mike ,, if thats the case i will need 2 new side panels and 1 bottom plate , and use a acrylic face plate so the teeth can be milled into it ,,,, good lookin out Mike
 
if i cant use these acrylic panels on it ,,there up for free to someone who does own a acrylic tank to make this style overflow/surface skimmer for their tank
 
Well, I think we're outta luck Murph. Sorry bud, dad doesn't have the lathe and millport hooked up right now, gotta get the electricity ran. We had them hooked up at the old house. :-(
 
its all good ,,thanks for checking into it for me

Jeff , TJ is the one who hooked me up with this one , Deere G got it together for me ,,, and i thank both of them !!!!! I will PM you later this evening about that project we have been talking about ...

Murph
 
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Hey Murph.

I wouldn't cut teeth into the overflow. I personally like the smooth edge on the overflow better. You get better surface skimming, and will get less turbulence in the box. If you're worried about critters getting in I'm sure Keith could rig you up a slick cover, or you could make one very simple out of eggcrate.

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You only need a 3 sided box. Glass holes makes a 4 sided box, and drill holes through the box using the bulkheads to anchor the box in place. I am NOT a fan of doing it this way... I just think it's unnecessary, and opens up a whole new can of worms... you need to make sure the box is level and you cut all your holes correct to keep the box level.

I cut PVC to the height I needed to support the box in place, and use clamps to hold it there during the install.

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You're going to want the top edge of the overflow box to be located 1/4" to 1/2" below the trim line on the tank. This will make sure the water line is hidden from view, and also that your water line is not too high in the tank.

Once you have the PVC cut to the correct height, I clamped everything into place dry, and traced around the outside of the box, so I had an estimate of where the edges would come into contact with the back wall.

Then I unclamped everything and ran a bead of silicone inside the traced line. Clamped it tight to the back wall then quickly ran a bead on the inside of the box, and outside of the box and smoothed them out. Quick check to make sure everything stayed level, then let it set for 24-48hrs.

*If you want all your visible silicone lines to be neat and straight... I use blue painter's tape to mark everything off, and leave like a 1/4" to 1/2" gap between the tape and the outside edges of the overflow. Then when you smear the silicone, any excess will get onto the tape, and when you remove the tape, you get a nice clean line. You just have to remove the tape IMMEDIATELY after you finish smearing all the joints."
 
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i was thinking about running it smooth too, but i like the idea of the grooves and not worrying about my clowns and gobies using it as a water slide, i might try it being anchored to the bulkheads with flat 1/4 thick gaskets between the box and bulkheads ,, i know it leaves another thing that can go wrong ,,but i think if its done correct it will work fine ,,, i am still really up in the air about it ,,, , i dont really want PVC pillars in the tank either so i got some thinking to do in the next week or so .
So you are saying to trim the front plate down shorter than the sides and let the water enter just from the front , or set the entire box 1/4 to 3/8 under the oak trim line on my tank ?? i just need to get down and see Phil's in action in Canton
TJ ..thank you so much for your help bud ,,i just want to do it one time and right
 
No problem Murph... you pull the PVC supports out once the silicone sets.

They just hold it in place until the silicone cures enough to support it on it's own... then you pull the PVC supports out.

Here was the picture of the of the box once I pulled the supports after a few days of letting the silicone cure.


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great job TJ ,,and you used glass to glass ? do you think it will matter if its acrylic to glass ?? i see how you did the front plate and sides all under water too ,, thanks again bud ,,when you come back into this area you will have to stop over and check it out ,,im going to do the EXACT same thing you did bud,, dont be surprised if you see my in your PM box asking for advise !!!!
 
Yeah I did glass to glass, but I wouldn't be worried with the acrylic. As long as you get a good seal. I've had a heck of a time pulling acrylic baffles out of glass sumps before.

It's a lot easier to do than you think. It gets hard when you try and make everything perfect and neat. :lol:
 
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So you are saying to trim the front plate down shorter than the sides and let the water enter just from the front , or set the entire box 1/4 to 3/8 under the oak trim line on my tank ?? i just need to get down and see Phil's in action in Canton
TJ ..thank you so much for your help bud ,,i just want to do it one time and right
Sorry I missed this part...

You will want to place the entire box 1/4" to 3/8" under the oak trim line on your tank. So you will have water entering the box from 3 sides.
 
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