pappone and BLU Coral method

[Reefflections]

You aren't supposed to unplug the skimmer.You are supposed to take the top off,amd let it over flow.This adds oxygen into the system.I don't unplug mine at all.I let it run all night.Then the skimmer cup get's put back on in the morning.Just adjust it and let it rip!.No over flow issues at all.

 

[stony_corals]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9929835#post9929835 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishfanatic06
It can be used with a sand bed, but it works best with a bb setup.

Why would it "work best" with a bb setup? Whether you have a sand bed or not, it works, provided your export = import.

 

[fishfanatic06]

Well, this stuff was created to be used with berliner setups. A berliner style tank has live rock, no sand, and a really efficient skimmer. Time to time you will se berliner style aquariums that suffer from very light colors and slowed growth in their sps because berliner tanks are kept super clean of any nutrients. In other words the tank is too clean! Hard to believe this could be problem, huh? Nutrients are exported almost as fast as they are imported. When pappone is introduced into this "nutrient sterile" environment the corals get a huge blast of high protein food. As a result the corals display deeper, darker, and richer colors and increased growth rate. This super nutrient reduction style tank will do an awesome job at getting the left over pappone out of the tank to prevent any phosphate or nitrate spikes, that could result in nuisance algaes. With a sand bed, tanks usually do not become this nutrient sterile and as a result the colors in the sps are usually already dark and rich in color. Putting the papone in adds more nutrients which most sandbed systems will have trouble handling. A common sight from using the pappone with a sandbed is a mat of cyano covering the bottom of the sand. With a bare bottom tank this usually will almost never occur. That being said it can be done with a tank with a sandbed but it will be easier to keep nutrients low with a bare bottom (berliner) setup.
Really, the key to this system is very efficient nutrient export.
A big powerful skimmer is the heart behind this system.
And skimming very wet is reccomended too. This will keep nutrients at a minimum level.
HTH!

-Kyle

 

[fishfanatic06]

Anyways, in the Italian thread they all reccomended bare bottom systems to be used with the pappone to yield the best results.

 

[stony_corals]

It's simply not true that tanks with DSBs or Jaubert plenums can't be just as nutrient poor as a bare bottom. Where's your data? Check out the data on the waikiki plenum system in RA3, that's pretty nutrient poor.....

I've been using pappone daily in both plenum and bare bottom systems - No cyano in any of them....

 

[MarineTeng]

quick question in the recipe
Materials:
5 Oysters
5 Mussels
5 Clams
5 Shrimp (NOT cocktail shrimp, the big scampi type w/o the head and the shell)
1 Tablespoon of Sugar (not corn syrup, etc.)
200 mL of RO/DI water
10 g of Red Algae (Palmaria palmata; Bisck uses Julian Sprung's brand)
and/or 10 g of Spirulina, 10 g of Nori (spirulina is what Bisck prefers)
is it 10g, of red algae or spirulina or nori
or is it 10g of red algae
and 10g of spirulina and nori

 

[fishfanatic06]

I'm, not saying it can't be done. If you have a really efficient way of exporting nutrients you can use the system. When the system was designed, its intent was to be used on BERLIN style aquariums. You can still get great results from having a sandbed though.

 

[DarkXerox]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9952884#post9952884 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishfanatic06
I'm, not saying it can't be done. If you have a really efficient way of exporting nutrients you can use the system. When the system was designed, its intent was to be used on BERLIN style aquariums. You can still get great results from having a sandbed though.

Yeah I have a 2" SSB and I haven't had any cyano outbreaks at all (I've even ramped up my feeding to a whole cube per week). Granted, a lot of it gets eaten by the fish who can some reason see in the dark, but I can see with a flashlight that the LPS and the SPS are grabbing a lot--espeically my War Coral and my Seriatoporas. But every time I heard of a problem on ReefItalia, it often was either overfeeding at the start or not enough nutrient exports (i.e. a skimmer that was not strong enough). They love their Deltecs there!

The whole point of this is providing food to corals that would otherwise be somewhat nutrient starved, not to say that they would not grow with low nutrients. Those polyps have mouths for a reason lol. However, in a high nutrient/poorly skimmed tank, pappone will be a phosphate bomb, and will cause more problems than help.

 

[fishfanatic06]

Well said, DarkXerox.

 

[Serioussnaps]

My point is.....that it is either a phosphate bomb or not. Your basically saying the methods/manners in which one can go about mitigating the fact that it is a phosphate bomb makes it not a phosphate bomb. Its a matter of perception. I tend to believe that just because you have the ability to export it doesnt mean that it wasnt a phosphate bomb before you put it in your tank. Just becasue North Korea launches a nuclear missle towards us and we intercept it, doesnt mean that the missle isnt a nuclear missle because we intercepted it. FWIW one cube a week is a gnat on a boars butt.

I may have been guilty of feeding a little too much, but I do have great export and that doesnt mean it wasnt a phosphate bomb before it entered my system.


I am going to have to come back and edit this, but dont want to lose my train of thought.

 

[Maeda]

Its a nutrient bomb, end of story.

If you can get rid of the excess nutrients though its a happy growth bomb.

Wheres the picture results people?

 

[fishfanatic06]

Maeda, If you want pics try the Italian thread. That will give you pics! Have you even tried the pappone yet, to come to this sort of conclusion?

 

[Maeda]

I want pics of reefcentral board members trying this stuff.

I've seen enough italian tanks already.

I have before and after pics posted 1 page back, and i've been using this food for a couple months now. I'm still feeding it nutrient bomb or not, due to my results.

 

[fishfanatic06]

My Bad

 

[mano1192]

I would think you would need a couple months 6+ to really have some definitive before and after shots wouldnt you? How long has everyone been feeding papone for 2-3 months?

 

[roxy25]

I would also like to see more pictures .....


Maeda pictures is so far the only one that has made me interested in trying pappone.

 

[fishfanatic06]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9962738#post9962738 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Serioussnaps
My point is.....that it is either a phosphate bomb or not. Your basically saying the methods/manners in which one can go about mitigating the fact that it is a phosphate bomb makes it not a phosphate bomb. Its a matter of perception. I tend to believe that just because you have the ability to export it doesnt mean that it wasnt a phosphate bomb before you put it in your tank. Just becasue North Korea launches a nuclear missle towards us and we intercept it, doesnt mean that the missle isnt a nuclear missle because we intercepted it. FWIW one cube a week is a gnat on a boars butt.

I may have been guilty of feeding a little too much, but I do have great export and that doesnt mean it wasnt a phosphate bomb before it entered my system.


I am going to have to come back and edit this, but dont want to lose my train of thought.

Every food you add to your tank is adding phosphate. And if you want to be successfull you must be able to intercept it (nutrient export). If you did not have any way of getting rid of nutrients, your aquarium simply would not work. In other words, your aquarium would be bombed if it did not have some form of nutrient export.

 

[fishfanatic06]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9978841#post9978841 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roxy25
I would also like to see more pictures .....

I don't see why people keep demanding pictures of tanks from RC that have been using the pappone. Don't you think the Italian thread proved enough!? Besides pappone is a very new thing in the U.S. It has only been used by a few people here and there. Give it some time and be patient. More pictures will appear.

 

[roxy25]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9978906#post9978906 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishfanatic06
I don't see why people keep demanding pictures of tanks from RC that have been using the pappone. Don't you think the Italian thread proved enough!? Besides pappone is a very new thing in the U.S. It has only been used by a few people here and there. Give it some time and be patient. More pictures will appear.

I don't know about the other people asking for pictures. I wouldn't say I am demanding. I am just curious is that a crime? so far we have americas doing the pappone but we don't have before and after pictures.......

I read the whole Italian thread The thing with that thread there are just pics of their tanks and they have been using pappone for a while. I didn't see any before and after pics? if there is please tell me what page.

 

[MarineTeng]

just curious for more investigation into the italian's usage, anyone know an italian reef forum?