Pete's redemption thread

SneakyPete

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Hello all,

I have a confession to make. My tank has fallen into complete anarchy :eek2:. Due to some personal issues, I was unable to properly take care of my tank for the lion's share of last year. I'm hoping that this thread can be an inspiration to others who have also let their reef slip and so that you too can know, you can come back from it.

So without further ado, the horror show that is my aquarium. 40 B, 29g sump. External overflow. 2x hydor korolia 750s. Reef octopus skimmer. Tek 6 bulb light (I usually only run 2 bulbs though, corals seemed to bleach when I would run all 6).



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As you can see, every square inch of rock is covered in algae. The back, the sides, and usually the front are completely covered in algae. The sand is, of course, covered in algae. I am literally scared to do parameter tests, but will be doing so after this post goes up. Most of my coral is dead, the only things to survive have to be darn near super hero leveled. The zoas an the right and the trumpet have survived pretty well. The kenya tress has seen better days, but I think i can pull it out. All of my designer zoas, dead. Montis, dead. Frogspawn, dead. Fish are doing good though.

The first thing I need to do though, is to build a plan for how I'm going to pull out of this tailspin. It's easy to say "Do daily water changes" but that doesn't really address the problem I had. So the question becomes, what did I like and hate about keeping the aquarium.

My likes are easy, I liked watching things grow. I remember my clowns when they were very small in my 20g QT and seeing them now large and in charge is awesome. That zoa colony was only 10 heads when I got it, and now its huge. That trumpet was only 2, now it has 16. Watching things change and adapt was interesteing. I could watch the fish interact with one another every day. Now my algae filled tank sickens me to look at. I'm so ashamed.

My dislikes are pretty easy to pick out too. The obvious one is "I hate cleaning my tank", but that isn't true at all. I actually enjoyed the act of pulling water (and the goop of the tank) out of my tank. All of the other parts revolving around that I despise. I dislike the fact that I do everything with 5 gallon buckets. Every time I want to do a water change, I have to draw up 4 gallons of water off my RO/DI (there's 2 hours), wait a day for my salt to mix, and then the pumping it back into my tank using an aqualifter... kill me now. The waiting was aweful. I also hate that I've flooded out

The other thing I dislike about the tank is the amount of noise. I thought i'd get used to it, but I never have.

So here's my gameplan to get this tank back on task and hopefully get back to a point where I can add some new corals or even show somebody the tank. But I could use some help with figuring out some of the parts that I need.

1) Fix my ro di problem.
I'm going tomorrow to a town an hour away to find a Brute trash can. If they don't have one, I'll drive to Fargo... I really hope they have one somewhere there.
If I have 32 gallons of water on hand, I should be able to cut the large amounts of wait time down. I'm also going to buy a float valve from BRS so I don't have another flood.

2) Fix my water change problem.
here's the part that I need some help with. I don't think a 4 gallon water change per week is enough. I'd like to do double that, but I don't have the equipment to mix 2 buckets. So my options are, I think, to either buy another powerhead to mix a second bucket, or to get a bigger container for mixing saltwater. What do you all use for mixing your saltwater in controlled amounts? I think a 10g capacity would probably be ideal for my uses...
I also need to buy a pump to transfer the water from the bucket and into the sump. Does anybody have a decent but not expensive suggestion for that? Waiting for the aqualifter cannot continue :headwally:.

3) Fix my noise issue.
Here's another part where I'm looking for some assistance. My current overflow is a single drain overflow. I want to buy a dual drain and set it up herbie style. I've come to the conclusion that there are like 2 overflows that would work for me. The Eshoppes PF-1000 or the RLSS OV50 (http://www.saltysupply.com/RLSS-OV50-Hang-on-Dual-Overflow-Box-700gph-p/h2o1175.htm). I'm leaning to the OV50 as I like the kind of overflow that you can keep an aqualifter attached to. But I'm open to other ideas here or other options.
The second part is my return pump. I currently have a MAG7 and it is incredibly noisy. I can hear it in the next room over, and can't deal with it any more. I was thinking a similar pump to the mag 7 would be an eheim compact+ 3000 http://www.amazon.com/EHEIM-Compact...TF8&qid=1393636575&sr=8-1&keywords=eheim+3000 but I'm not 100% sure that will work with the 5 or so feet of vertical from my sump to my DT.
The Mag will go into my RO/DI water bucket above.
Note that my return pump Ts off and also runs my refugium. I did it in a weird way that I would not do again, but I don't want to replace my sump.

Until I can get all my stuff together, I'm going to start doing daily water changes at 3.5-4 gallons a pop here to get my parameters within check.

I plan to keep this thread up to date with the status of my tank as it recovers. Let the healing begin. Parameters to follow either today or tomorrow morning. They won't be pretty...

Edit:

Do test kits go bad? Both my nitrate and phosphate levels read zero. The phosphate one I did twice, once with an API kit and again with my hanna checker. Zero on both. So either the kits are bad, or my tank is so algae ridden that it has reach equalibrium with the nitrate and phosphate production...
 
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Operation algae removal is going well. Sorry, the guy who comes up with operation names was in the john.



I've been doing daily water changes and sucking up as much algae as possible.

I did a water test. I think my tests may be bad. Phos registered 0.03 and nitrate is still registering 0. So I think I'm going to buy a new nitrate test anyway, because with the amount of algae going on, there is no way it is zero.

I'm going to start running GFO in a reactor once I get my new pump plumbed in. It came today, but my fittings and stuff are still on the way.

I think i'm going to be getting a lawnmower blenny. I think that will help me manage the algae in my dt. Plus they are awesome and I definitely have enough algae that it will do pretty well.
 
So I got my stuff today. The RLSS OV 50 is HUGE. Absolutly gigantic. Much bigger than I thought that it was going to be. Its 4 inches wider than my current one. There is a nipple for an aqualifer (which I of course will be using) so I don't think it should matter. Will having too large of an overflow box matter?
 
Too little flow into a overflow box With gph rated way higher than return pump will possibly cause air bubble at utube and a loud gurgling noise. Just put in gurgle buster in overflow box if this happens

Edit: aqualifter should remove any air bubbles in the u tube, sorry I missed that
 
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I went through something similar several years ago, but with my FOWLR. I wish you all the best, and will keep checking back. One thought on your Phos and NO3 tests, is that it is all bound up in all of the algae. As you remove the algae (that was absorbing the phos) that may very well begin to climb. If you have a lit refugium, then some macro algae there could help, too.

Hang in there, and keep updating!
 
If you have a problem with the overflow box being to high of a flow you can always add a gate valve on the down pipe to adjust the flow, but the box itself isn't going to hurt anything being larger.
 
For my mixing station i have the large brute for r/o storage and a 15 gallon party bucket for mixing, works out very well for me.
 
@stems

The overflow I bought is actually one of the C style boxes.
http://www.saltysupply.com/RLSS-OV50-Hang-on-Dual-Overflow-Box-700gph-p/h2o1175.htm

I thought it was rated for 700gph, but it's clearly rated for 1400. I bought it because I wanted to build it as a herbie for silent operation, which will work fine I think. I'll just need to keep an extra aqualifer on hand. Depending on how well it holds it's siphon I may put the pump on a timer to pull bubbles out, but we'll see how it works first.

@AZBigJohn
I do have a lit fuge, but the macro I had down there all died. I didn't have the load for it right away. I'm going to get some more from reefcleaners or something, but I want temps to increase a bit beforehand. And I agree it was probably all bound up in the algae. Im going to keep sucking it out and doing water changes. I'll keep an eye on it.

Quick question, on your fuge, do you leave it lit 24/7 or do you have it on a timer to only run for 12h per day?

@Bgcoop
I do plan on doing that to set up a silent herbie.

@Art
I was looking for something like that, but I was unable to find anything, so I just bought a 10 gallon brute to mix in. I bought a 32g brute for water storage and a float valve from BRS.


So I've got lots of projects for the weekend.

The things that are for sure getting done:
1) Fix alk. My alk was at 7.5, which is pretty low. I bought some baking soda and will be dosing it tonight and tomorrow to fix it.
2) Plumbing in new return pump. I need my old one for moving water from my large brute into the smaller buckets. I'm missing a LOT of plumbing bits, so I need to make a list and go out buying tomorrow.
3) Set up QT. My lfs has a lawnmower blenny.
4) Set up new brute trashcan system.

Once all that is done, i'm going to look at plumbing in my new overflow, but I don't think that will get done this weekend. The old one will still have to make too much noise for another week. It's going to be a HUGE pita to get that overflow off. I didn't use unions, so I'm going to have to probably use a rotozip or something to cut some pipe. This time around, I'm doing it right and use unions. Lots of unions.
 
Re: Pete's redemption thread

Pete:

I feel for you. For no reason aside from sheer laziness, our tank has fallen into a similar state and we are also in the process of a massive revitalization effort.

Have you been treating with anything for the algae problem? We started using API Algaefix about 3 weeks ago as per our LFS's recommendation, but having since done some additional research, we became concerned regarding its potential toxicity (to us humans). Just this past week, we started treating with DrTim's Re-Fresh... While advertised more as a "maintenance" product, it can also be used at more frequent treatment intervals for algae eradication. We've definitely noticed some improvement, yet still have a long ways to go...
 
I haven't been dosing anything for algae. I'm going to raise my alk up to about 10 by dosing some baking soda here. For the algae, I'm just trying to starve it out by doing water changes. I'm going to get some macro algae to put in my fuge at some point, but I'm worried about ordering online right now as it's so cold (although not so much cold right now). With the weather actually looking decent for next week, I'll probably put an order in with reefcleaners for some chaeto and some snails/hermits tomorrow.

If I really wanted to dump the algae in bulk, I would cover the tank for a few days, but let my sump light still come on, hopefully moving a lot more growth down there and killing off what is in the DT. I think i definitely want to have some macro in my fuge first though if I was going to do that.

With me getting a lawnmower blenny now, I don't know if I really want to kill it all off out in my DT though, just some reduction.
 
No lawnmower blenny for me, yet. My LFS was supposed to get one in last night, but apparently their supplier didn't have any because they didn't get it :-( Oh well, he took my name and number and will give me a call when they get one in. So at least there is that. I'm heading there anyway, since I have to go to menards today. If I'm driving an hour anyway, the least I can do is oogle the stock at the LFS.

So I got some new fancy salifert tests in the mail last night. The nitrate one because my old one from API didn't really have a low range test and the magnesium one because I didn't have a magnesium test.

Nitrate - 0. Must be all locked up in my current algae. Keep sucking it out I guess. Maybe when I get some chaeto in my fuge I'll black out for a couple of days on my DT to see if I can move more growth to the sump.

Magnesium - 1260? I'm color blind and I had a very, very hard time seeing the color change. It might be lower than that. I'm a grown man, but I think I'll have to have my mommy come over after work one day to help me with it, lol. I think I'm going to have to try to raise that up a bit, but I'll get a person with better eyes over here before I do anything.

I've also been dosing my tank every morning and night with 1 tsp of baking soda to try and raise my alk. We are up to somewhere between 8 and 9. API tests only go in solid numbers. The only test out of that API kit that I have really been happy with has been the calcium test. The other ones just don't have enough resolution...

Anyway, I'm off to menards to buy all my plumbing stuff. With any sort of luck at all, I should be able to get my new return plumbed in tonight. Tomorrow will hopefully be all about getting water containers all set up.
 
Holy crap, I just check my water with my refractometer and I'm at 1.020. I guess I start topping off with saltwater for a while, because that is WAY too low. I should be closer to 1.025, right?
 
Mine runs at 1.026, from what i've read anywhere between 1.024-1.026 is good, main thing is keeping it stable.
 
So what was supposed to be a 4 hour trip to Grand Forks ended up being a 7 hour trip to Grand Forks, and now I'm BUSHED. Unfortunatly, not enough time left in the day for me to plumb my return in. I think my timeline is going to be shifted and I'll do the return tomorrow. Nothing good happens fast I guess.

The worst part about the trip is that nobody had nylon hose clamps. I ordered some, but I'm probably just going to use a zip tie for now and Ill put a clamp on when they come. I have 6 clamps, but I think that the hose fits so tight that it shouldn't matter. Maybe I'll just build my plumbing for the return but not actually hook it all up until I get the clamps. Yeah, that's probably the best way to do it.

I did go to the fish store just to look and decided to buy some more cleanup crew. My crew was a little depleted. Bought a few new hermits and some more nassarius snails, a few margarita snails, and an astrea. I did a fairly quick acclimation and put them in. They all started cruising around except the astrea. According to live aquaria , they don't handle parameter changes well and I should have drip acclimated him over a long period of time. Whoops. I may have just bougth a $2 turban shell :headwally: He's moved some, but not a whole lot. I'll keep an eye on him.

I also bought a peppermint shrimp because I noticed some atepsia on a rock I can't remove. I took a picture of him in the bag, because according to some people, that's the last time I'll ever see him. Quick drip acclimation and into the tank he went and ZIP, gone into the rockwork. I hope he will come out and play sometime after he feels a little more settled and I can see him again, but more importantly than that, I hope he eats the atepsia in my tank.

Well, that's all for now.
 
Got a lot less done this weekend than I had hoped for.

The only thing I got done was buying my materials to do the job and to plumb my new return pump



I'm running the power cord out the front right now so it is easier to work with. In case i need to unplug it quick or something.

I did something completely dump right away though. I had the refuge valve wide open and blasted it. Its still a little cloudy in the picture, but ti has mostly settled down nicely.

I wiped everything down with a paper towel and I'm going to let it run for an hour or two here and check for any leaks. It's all vinyl tubing, so leaks shouldn't really happen on it.

This pump is Q U I E T QUIET. When I turned it on the 2nd time, when I wasn't as worried everything would blow up and turn my office into water world, I was like :inlove: And then it pumped water over my overflow and I was like :headwallblue:

So That was fun anyway.

Astrea snail made it. He's picked one smaller rock completely clean already. I may have to get a 2nd one of these bad boys. Definitely doing a stand up job. Now if I just had a chaeto ball, I may start making real headway. Supposedly my not so L LFS has a bunch of balls they are selling. I may try to pick one up next weekend.

Peppermint shrimp is nowhere to be seen of course. I hope he made it...

Salinity is still not ok at 1.020. Top off is probably not going to move this fast enough. I'm going to mix my replacement salt for my water changes at like 1.03 or something and help it along.

All for now I guess. This week's projects are going to be getting my GFO reactor all set up and running and cleaning up this terrible mess I've made. And I've made a terrible mess around my house. Next weekend is all about getting that awful overflow replaced.

More updates to come.
 
So I've had some setbacks. A recurring back problem flared up again, and I haven't been able to do much, unfortunately, with the tank. I have confirmed, however, that what I have is dinos. They've once again overtaken my tank. I can't do daily water changes to keep it in check.

I read so much conflicting information, I don't know what to believe anymore. But a lot of what I've read seem to indicate organic phosphate being the problem. Organic phosphate is caused from decaying matter, a lot of it would be in the sand bed.

My sand bed is definitly not clean, but due to my aquascape, I can't keep it clean. Too many inaccessable areas.

So i've decided to remove my sand bed. More than one thread I've read has said that was definitly key to stopping the nutrient problem, so I'm going to give it a go.

I'm not sure how much of water changes I should keep doing. There is a lot of information saying people did lots of heavy water changes, and lots or reports saying people stopped doing waterchanges (Because the dinos feed on trace elements). Doing daily water changes for a few weeks didn't seem to really slow them down though, as they are back in full force.

So I guess I'm going to try to remove my sand bed, and during that, scrub all of my rock with a toothbrush to get as much of this crap off my rocks. After that, I'm going to do a 5 day blackout, and see where I stand after that. Hopefully the sand bed is indeed the cause of my nutrient problem.

My cleaner shrimp also died the other day. I'm not sure why, but I would bet he probably got into some crystal salt that was clinging to the old tubing I removed when I replumbed my tank.
 
So here we are 6 months later, and I have had no luck getting rid of the dinos. Initially, I tried daily water changes sucking out as much mass as I could. It looked good for a bit, but as soon as I stopped doing dailies, it was a wreck again in 3 days. I read somewhere that they rely on the trace nutrients in your salt and stopping water changes for a couple of months would work. Well, it may have worked for them, but it didn't work too much for me.

So I'm totally changing everything up. Yesterday, I pulled about half of my rock out so I have fewer places for detritus to stick and better flow rate. I'm going back to daily water changes for now. Today, I pulled about half of my remaining rock out of the tank, vacuumed the sand, scrubbed the rock with a toothbrush, and assembled it back up into a smaller, more open pile (this time, with enough room around every edge to get my magnet cleaner in between it all). Tomorrow, I plan on doing the other half of the tank.

My next plan of action is raising the PH to 8.4 or so using Kalk slurry in the morning and adding it to my topoff water as well. The topoff runs for 15 minutes a day and only adds about a half gallon of water, so yeah, that won't move it. There was an article I read about ph and killing dinos, but like all remedies for dinos, nothing is guaranteed.

In the mean time, I also plan on blacking the tank out. I only have 1 coral colony that is still alive, and just barely, so I'm not out too much. I'm going to feed my tank pretty good here for the next few days so my fish will be nice and full and then doing a 7 day blackout using cardboard.

If none of that works, I'm probably going to pull a desperation move and attempt to use H2O2. I've read that works, but is very hard on your tank, so that is my last move.

I'm beginning to think it may have just been better to move my fish to a smaller temporary tank and tear this one down to rebuild with new sand and rock. I've certainly wasted more time messing around with attempting to remedy the issue than it would have been to just hit the reset.

The good news is I found my ghost shrimp and he was alive. Just chilling in a rock I took out. I haven't seen him since I put him in the tank, so that's good. My clownfish are usually pretty docile. When I have my hands in the tank, they usually just flash and stuff, but I may have pushed them too far today. They actually bit me, which was strange, and startling initially.... I guess they can only take so much messing with their territory before going agro.
 
Removed about half my rock total and rescaped what I had left after scrubbing it down. Vacuumed the sandbed nicely. Now it should all be easier to keep clean. I also bought a sand rake on amazon, so I'll use that to sift until I get something else.

The 4 denizens of the tank all surved the rebuild, although my clowns are very much not happy with me. I had to use a net to keep them away. They will come attack me, a toothbrush, a comb, anything except the net, which is strange to me... I think all my snails are dead, which as I read about dinos, that's pretty common.

Anyway, I'll post a picture when everything calms down. The water is pretty darn murkey right now since I stirred up the sand.

Tomorrow: another round of water changes getting the few spots I missed and getting my reactor back online and filled with carbon. Friday, attempt to clean out my sump as best I can (poor design choices make that actually pretty difficult) and we go dark on Saturday for at least 5 days.

Will my fish be able to find food if I put it in the tank while the tank is dark, or are they just going to have to go hungry for a few days?
 
Pete,

Thank you for the update. It has been 6 months, and most people who can't get their tank up and running in that period of time would have thrown in the towel by now. But not you, you have showed dedication and commitment and are still devoted to your tank even after half a year. I respect that.

As far as the blackout is concerned, the fish may have a harder time finding the food. Maybe you can give them 15 min of light every day during feeding time just so they can eat then resume blackout mode afterwards. I'm no expert though so please do what you feel is best for your tank.
 
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