pH Stability of Caulerpa VS Cheato

RobbyG

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I am by no means an expert but I wanted to share an observation that I made in case some of you want to carry it to the next level.

I have a 30 gal sump that is lit up at night by 100 Watt energy bulb, it offsets the pH drop at night and for the last 9 months has worked very well. The Sump itself was covered in Caulerpa from the very start, I would estimate that by weight it would at least be half a pound or enough to fill about 4 coffee cups if packed into them. My pH with this setup was between 8.20 in the Daytime to a low of about 8.10 at 9am in the morning.

About 3 months ago I added Cheato to the sump, this did not really change anything in terms of pH but my plan was to slowly eliminate the Caulerpa as the Cheato grew. After about 10 weeks the Cheato had reached a weight of about 1lb or enough to fill about 5 coffee mugs.

Then 3 weeks ago I put a flower pot coral in my sump to make some space temporarily in the tank. In about 3 days my Caulerpa started to die, evidently by some toxin released by the Flower Pot. I removed the Flower pot coral and trimmed out all dead and dying Caulerpa but within 2 more days about 95% of the Caulerpa had to be removed because it was starting to die. The Cheato was totaly unaffected by the toxins and even seemed to grow a little faster.

Since the Caulepa died my pH in the day is always climbing in the day, but it can't get past 8.15 while at night it now drops down to 7.85 this is of course very alarming but I have now realized the Cheato seems to have very little ability to raise pH while Caulerpa seems to be an excellent at increasing pH.

Has anyone ever noticed this before?
 
ok so you say you run 100W over your Caulepa . i am now wondering if i have to little light over mine. mine is in a small 10G sump with a 28W 50/50 PC. is that enough light over it or should i use an old 96 power quad. I too have noticed that my tanks Ph has remained higher all the time.
LMK
thanks
 
Interesting, now if we can get some more people who may have switched from Caulerpa to Cheato, we can get more data and see if this is really true.

BTW thats a 100 Watt Spot focus Energy bulb, it consumes 20 watts of power.
 
pH and aquatic plants

pH and aquatic plants

This is a good comparison, when you compare these two you should measure the weight of each plant first before they are introduced to the tank. If you add the same amount of each with the same spectrum lighting, you will see which one produces more co2 which will have an overall effect on the pH of the tank.
I would stretch out the test, make it one week per plant species.
Please report your findings.


:D CaptiveReef
 
I wish I could carry it that far but I never did weight any of them, I am just guestamating the weight. I am hoping that someone with a extra tank holding tank might want to go further with this and check it scientifically.
 
Measure your Alk next time you compare Cheato vs Caulerpa. I have been told by a good friend he couldn't keep his Alk high enough with the Cheto.

I use Caulerpa on a reverse daylight cycle and prune as needed. Never had a problem. I am getting some Chetomorph this weekend so I will compare the two in the next couple of weeks.
 
AZreefkeeper Sorry for the delayed reply. I am very interested in what you find. As of now I am looking to dump my Cheato and go back to all Caulerpa. ITs not as durable but it seems to work better.
 
RobbyG
I placed the Cheato, in another display this weekend. I will be testing the pH and Alk. daily starting next week, I want to give it time to settle in.
 
Interesting. So your Caulerpa may have been more photosynthetically active than the Chaetomorpha.. more CO2 consumption, higher pH, with the same alkalinity levels. Less consumption, lower pH. They will also go through alkalinity to get at their carbon needs.

One other point: Chaetomorpha seems to take longer than Caulerpa to show stress. Caulerpa will self-destruct overnight, Chaetomorpha can take a few days to show a fragmentation event (which is basically its version of 'going sexual'). Has it been awhile since the flowerpot was introduced to their holding tank?

I'd like to hear more about the test you want to run AZ. The plants will be consuming CO2, but if you put them in the same tank and shared water then you are doing a competition experiment. And if you space the test for each species a week apart then you aren't doing a side by side trial with similar conditions throughout your testing period. I'm not trying to be a pain, these are just some thoughts I had while reading the thread.

Will you be giving the plants any nutrients in their bare tank?

>Sarah
 
I run both Chaeto & caulerpa in my sump. Two different chambers.

The chaeto is used to baffle the bubbles from the overflow/skimmers while the Caulerpa is in the fuge section only.

I have noticed that after 1 year of the tank setup, the Ph has finally gotten to the 8.3 range when it was running 7.8-8.1 for a long time.

I also run my PC lighting on a off light cycle. I have a 4' Orbit PC with 4 PCs in it. Two of the lights run 24/7 while the other two are on when my display lights are off.

I pull a ball of cheato the size of my head & a salad bowl full of chaeto out about every other week.

Dont know if that helps any with the discussion. Just another data point.

Stu
 
Samala
I am running each in seperate identical systems, both systems are running 60G with 20G sumps its only been running a few days so I haven't started taking any measurements. I will keep you posted.
 
Samala the Flower Pot killed the Caulerpa in about 3 days, I have had it removed for the last 3 weeks but the damage is done and it's very slow in recovering.
 
O.K. this is the results after 1 week:
both are 60G with 45lbs (1box) LR under standard Fluorescents, 20G sump refugium no skimmer, light over fuge is CL 2x9W CF.

Grape racemosa pH 8.1 am, 8.3 pm / alk/dkh 8
Cheatomorph pH 8.1 am, 8.3 pm / alk/dkh 8

Tested with Pinpoint moniter and salifert test kit.

both seem to be running the same, growth in the racemosa is slightly faster but not by much. I was told by a friend that has replaced his Cheato to racemosa that it tends to start changing when the growth maxed out. Will keep you posted.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8194209#post8194209 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AZreefkeeper
I was told by a friend that has replaced his Cheato to racemosa that it tends to start changing when the growth maxed out. Will keep you posted. [/B]

What starts to change... ie. there is a difference in PH, or the racemosa starts to go sexual?


What is the light cycle over the fuge and the main tank?

When are you testing the PH, in the morning at night?

I run my fuge lighting at night, supposidly to help with the PH swing? How has the difference in macro alge effected the PH swing if any?
 
Buffering capacity changed as far as the stability of the dKh, but as of 1 week there is no differance.

Fuge is lit on a reverse daylight so its on during the night. I am testing pH both in the morning 6AM and in the late afternoon 5PM ish

pH swings are very minimal as of now but like I said we will see once the caulerpa/cheto start to fill out the sumps. This is when I was told buffering is affected. I am probably about 2 weeks out from them being full, I will be taking daily readings now that the algae are starting to grow at a more noticable rate.

This experiment is one of the first I plan to do, I am currently not dosing 2 part or Kalk. I will do that in the next one.
 
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