Pickling lime

nellie54914

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I was reading through a bunch of posts today trying to find a good DIY kalk doser and came across some threads about using pickling lime instead of kalk. I was just wondering if anyone in the club has tried that, and if you noticed any differences between that and kalkwasser. It seems like a good $ savings if it actually works, but I'm a bit leary of trying it!

~michelle
 
Pickling lime and kalkwasser are the same thing. It is called pickling lime at supermarkets and kalkwasser at aquarium hobby stores.
 
Pickling lime is hard to find I usually look at the grocery stores everytime I go. So if your looking good luck :). But I think its easier to find during canning season.
 
I use it, try a search on Yahoo for Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime, I bought 5 huge cans of it for 10$ I think It was shipped for 2$ more, it works great
 
I get mine from Festival Foods in Oshkosh. Just picked up 5 bags this winter. I was suprised to see it on the shelves in the winter.

Kalkwasser is simply German for lime. Pet stores and manufacturers such as Kent, capitolize on this, and sell the same thing in tiny containers for much more. Some people feel it's an issue of pickling lime not being as pure as the lime sold in pet stores. Truth is, it's all food grade...
 
So next big question would be:

Where in the Fox Valley can we find it? I've looked at quite a few supermarkets with no luck. I guess I can just order it online
 
Well, good question. Since I've never looked any where but Festival. I've only had to buy it twice, and from what you guys are saying, I was lucky to find it both times.

I would assume late this summer Festival will stock it.
 
Wow! I just checked the website. They have doubled the price. The last time I bought from Mrs Wages about a year ago it was under $2 a pound. Now they are charging $3.85. I heard Ball's has quit making pickling lime. Maybe the lack of competition has driven up the price.
Allen
 
I'm convinced, much cheaper to go this route! My husband doesn't like the idea, maybe I'll just have to buy the pickling lime and put it into the kalk container! :)
 
Still... 4 bucks a bag. Nothing compared to buying "kalkwaser" from a pet store for 10 bucks for a tiny little petri dish size container! Stop complaining. :D
 
nellie54914 said:
I'm convinced, much cheaper to go this route! My husband doesn't like the idea, maybe I'll just have to buy the pickling lime and put it into the kalk container! :)

What dosn't your hubby understand? "Kalkwaser" is GERMAN for PICKLING LIME! :D Pickling lime is food grade, same as "Kalk" only sold for much less as it's not marketed for "aqurium use."

:)
 
ok, so I made the doser, made up a batch of kalk last night (the expensive stuff, we had already bought a container before I had seen anything about pickling lime), and I'm going to sart dripping it in tonight. My question is, I know it has to sit for stuff to settle, can I make up a separate container and pour that into the doser for the next batch? If I let that sit in another container, and then pour it into the doser, will I have to let it sit again since the stuff settled to the bottom would get stirred up when i transfer it to the doser? Or doesn't that matter as long as most of the stuff that settled to the bottom stays in the original container when I pour it? Just want to make sure I'm doing it right!
 
Exactly what I do. Use a siphon hose and stop siphoning once you get close to the bottom. Then you can drip it right away, as long as the dosing container dosn't have any sediment on the bottom, which would get stirred up. If thats the case, I usually wait about 8 hours and it's fine.
 
That makes sense. So does the calcium level affect fish? Can it hurt them if it's raised too fast? What do you guys keep yours at?
 
Calcium levels aren't nearly as big of a concern if all you have is fish. High calcium and alkalinity levels are needed for many corals, as they use both to build their inner structure. I'm sure you've seen a skeleton of a dead acropora or other sps coral. That nice white structure is made mostly of calcium and KH (alkalinity.)

As for adding a bunch of an additive at a time. It's not recommended at all. Assuming your talking about a calcium or KH additive other than lime water - additions should be made in smaller doses more frequently rather than in one big dose all at once. Especially with KH buffers, as they have a huge impact on PH.

Although I don't fully understand it, the easy explanation is that calcium and KH are a delicate balance with eachother. One affects the other. This is where the 2 part additives and lime water come in. They are "ionically" ballanced. Add equal parts of a 2 part additive to raise both equally. If your system is out of balance you can add more of one than the other. But in most cases, what's really needed is to add equal parts of both to bring them back into balance. And obviously with lime water you just drip it, and adjust the balance with either a 2 part or other sperate additives. But unless things are severely out of wack, I would say just keep driping the kalk, try to replace 100% of evaporation with it initially untill the levels come up to where they should be, and most likely they will balance eachother out. Otherwise it'll be a calcium/alkalinity roller coaster ride.

After the levels come up to where you want them you can probably back off the lime water solution. I personally like to keep the lime water saturated, and just drip less of it, as I also use an auto top off system. But you can also lessen the saturation of the lime water and continue replacing 100% of evaporation with the less concentrated solution. Either way accomplishes the same thing.

For those with heavily sps dominated tanks, even saturated lime water won't keep up with calcium consumption. This is were reactors come in. They use CO2 to lower PH in a reaction chamber that is filled with crushed coral. The crushed coral disolves in the low PH, releasing calcium, KH, and many other trace elements.

Most of us strive for calcium around 450 and KH of at least 10dkh. Give or take. If you have no hard corals you can get by with lower calcium levels. For those with SPS dominated tanks, 450 is probably the lowest they want to go(?)

If you feel your calcium is low, probably best not to go add a bunch of just a calcium additive. Drip the lime water, and give it a week or two. It'll bring up your calcium and KH in balance to where you want them.
 
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