I woke up this morning and my blue Atlantic tangs looks HORRIBLE!!! He is eating fine but all of a sudden over night looks like crap now can anyone tell me what this looks like? He has dark brownish spots on his body and his tail is dark now towards the rim, an I think I see what seems to be ick on his side fin.
Please help
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DRThompson
2018 FMAS President
Looks like black spot disease or black ich. Where did you buy this fish? How long have you had the tang? What qt treatment do you use for new fish?
If you can catch him you could do a formalin dip or fresh water dip but the parasites would still be in the tank.
If you can catch him you could do a formalin dip or fresh water dip but the parasites would still be in the tank.
DRThompson
2018 FMAS President
more information on black ich:
Black "Ich" is caused by one or more genus of flatworm (Phylum Platyhelminthes) belonging to the class Turbellaria. Most cases of black "Ich" appear to be caused by Paravortex sp. (Noga, 2000) however, Cannon and Lester (1988) found turbellaria of the genus Ichthyophaga on a parrotfish (Scarus ribulatus) in addition to Paravortex sp. on dusky flathead (Platycephalus fuscus).
The life cycle of Paravortex sp.
Noga (2000) describes the life cycle of the parasite as follows. Juvenile turbellaria attach to the host fish and grow from around 77 to 450 μm. After around 6 days, they drop off the host and fall to the substrate where their eggs and larvae develop internally for 3 to 4 days. The adult's body wall ruptures and up to 160 juveniles escape and can immediately infect any susceptible hosts. The life cycle takes around 10 days at 24.5°C (76°F).
The signs of black "Ich"
The most obvious sign of black "Ich" are numerous dark spots covering the body of the infected fish.
Treatment for black "Ich"
Formalin baths are used for the treatment of parasitic turbellaria. The formalin baths should be repeated every three days until there are no signs of infection. With this regime subsequent baths will kill parasites that were not on the fish during previous baths. Some hobbyists have had success with the use of freshwater dips. These should also be repeated every three days, you also need to make sure that the water is adjust for temperature and Ph.
Formalin Baths
Formalin baths for 30 to 60 minutes, or as long as the fish can take it. The bath water should be matched closely with the tank water and probably the best way is to take water from the tank and place it in a bucket, add the formalin, mix well, and treat the fish. Add an airstone to the bucket to ensure good aeration (and then toss the airstone away). After the dip is completed, dilute the dip water with tap water and discard it, also discard the bucket too. Have a second bucket of tank water ready to transfer the fish to when the treatment is complete or if the fish starts to show signs of stress. The second bucket allows the fish to be "rinsed" before it is placed back into the tank, as you don't want to get formalin in your display tank. If the fish appears to be having trouble breathing, more than before the bath started, remove it at once.
The dosage should be for each gallon of water, around 0.6 ML of formalin should be added to get the desired dosage. The warmer your water, the less formalin that should be used as both formalin and increasing temperature reduces the oxygen saturation of the water. You should use formalin 37.5%.
Formalin is very dangerous and care should be taken when using it. Gloves and eye wear should be used, and disposed of when done. If you do get any on yourself it should be rinse off right away.
Turbellarian Infection
This infection is seen most often on Yellow tangs, partially because the black spots are so easily visible against a yellow background, but it effects many other fish. Usually, only one or two fish are affected at a time. Some common names are Tang Disease and Black Ich.
Symptoms to look for are as follow:
• Black spots on the skin with a pepper-like appearance
• Scratching
• Faded colors
• Hyperactivity
• Decreased appetite
• Lethargy in advanced stages
• Increased respiration in advanced stages
• Skin hemorrhaging in late stages
• Secondary bacterial infection, which may include cloudy eyes and fin rot in late stages
Black "Ich" is caused by one or more genus of flatworm (Phylum Platyhelminthes) belonging to the class Turbellaria. Most cases of black "Ich" appear to be caused by Paravortex sp. (Noga, 2000) however, Cannon and Lester (1988) found turbellaria of the genus Ichthyophaga on a parrotfish (Scarus ribulatus) in addition to Paravortex sp. on dusky flathead (Platycephalus fuscus).
The life cycle of Paravortex sp.
Noga (2000) describes the life cycle of the parasite as follows. Juvenile turbellaria attach to the host fish and grow from around 77 to 450 μm. After around 6 days, they drop off the host and fall to the substrate where their eggs and larvae develop internally for 3 to 4 days. The adult's body wall ruptures and up to 160 juveniles escape and can immediately infect any susceptible hosts. The life cycle takes around 10 days at 24.5°C (76°F).
The signs of black "Ich"
The most obvious sign of black "Ich" are numerous dark spots covering the body of the infected fish.
Treatment for black "Ich"
Formalin baths are used for the treatment of parasitic turbellaria. The formalin baths should be repeated every three days until there are no signs of infection. With this regime subsequent baths will kill parasites that were not on the fish during previous baths. Some hobbyists have had success with the use of freshwater dips. These should also be repeated every three days, you also need to make sure that the water is adjust for temperature and Ph.
Formalin Baths
Formalin baths for 30 to 60 minutes, or as long as the fish can take it. The bath water should be matched closely with the tank water and probably the best way is to take water from the tank and place it in a bucket, add the formalin, mix well, and treat the fish. Add an airstone to the bucket to ensure good aeration (and then toss the airstone away). After the dip is completed, dilute the dip water with tap water and discard it, also discard the bucket too. Have a second bucket of tank water ready to transfer the fish to when the treatment is complete or if the fish starts to show signs of stress. The second bucket allows the fish to be "rinsed" before it is placed back into the tank, as you don't want to get formalin in your display tank. If the fish appears to be having trouble breathing, more than before the bath started, remove it at once.
The dosage should be for each gallon of water, around 0.6 ML of formalin should be added to get the desired dosage. The warmer your water, the less formalin that should be used as both formalin and increasing temperature reduces the oxygen saturation of the water. You should use formalin 37.5%.
Formalin is very dangerous and care should be taken when using it. Gloves and eye wear should be used, and disposed of when done. If you do get any on yourself it should be rinse off right away.
Turbellarian Infection
This infection is seen most often on Yellow tangs, partially because the black spots are so easily visible against a yellow background, but it effects many other fish. Usually, only one or two fish are affected at a time. Some common names are Tang Disease and Black Ich.
Symptoms to look for are as follow:
• Black spots on the skin with a pepper-like appearance
• Scratching
• Faded colors
• Hyperactivity
• Decreased appetite
• Lethargy in advanced stages
• Increased respiration in advanced stages
• Skin hemorrhaging in late stages
• Secondary bacterial infection, which may include cloudy eyes and fin rot in late stages
I bought the fish from beverly's about a month ago and he has been spot less the whole time it's just appeared out of no where this morning and he is eating really good still and grazing normally. Should I treat my tank with anything? It's a reef tank. An I don't have a qt tank set up.
tattoosandfrags
New member
Yikes i hope he pulls through
micielo719
New member
Is be weary on treating your tank with anything as it might do more harm then good. Hopefully someone else will chime in and give you more direction. I think there might have been a problem before you got him in your tank and since he was never QT'd now the problems are beginning. Just my $.02.. Hope you get it sorted out. Goodluck!!
Bret61081
Active member
Id give it a few days before you tear the tank apart. Feed him well and keep your eye on it. Ive seen them go from bad to go to bad to good in a matter of days....IMO they are one of the more sensitive tangs. You can also try something like Ecological Labs Herbtana Salt Water Conditioner. Ive used it before with positive results. Good luck
You can also get food with med in it to feed the tang. Long before they offered these I would make food with garlic and other stuff to feed my achilles tang to help him thru the white ick. Treated him for a month and never had problems with him for many years. Not sure it helps but my tank was to large and I could never get him out to do a treatment like that.
Good trick for getting troublesome fish out of the tank is wait till the lights have been off for several hours and they have gone to sleep. Light them up with a strong flashlight, that will leave them dazed just long enough to pluck them out without a chase.
