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Polynikes

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Let me apologize in advance for the length of this post, forgive me, I am excited to start this new hobby!

Hello Everyone,

I am a brand new member to the forums here, as well as to the entire aquarium hobby. First and foremost, I just wanted to say hello to everyone out there, and let you all know I am excited to be here!

Now that the pleasantries are over… lets get down to business. I mainly wanted to outline how I will approach my first aquarium and get some feedback. To do this, I will start by briefly outlining my position:

1. I have decided 100% that I will most definitely be thinking about starting an aquarium sometime in the near future. I have a tendency to get an idea and then over commit both financially and emotionally before I fully think about the long term aspects. As this hobby involved living creatures, I am doing my very best to avoid my natural tendency. For once, I am trying to research before just going all out.


2. As far as past research goes, a few years ago I picked up Saltwater Aquariums for Dummies and read it. I decided not to purchase a tank at the time because my wife was pregnant and I knew I could not make the required commitment in the coming months. While I have forgotten 99% of the book and its advice, I did learn two very valuable lessons that make the book worth while:
a. This is way more complicated then I thought it was going to be. As a result, I NEED to research like I have never researched anything before! I will need to approach research and planning like a job.
b. This is not a hobby based on instant gratification. More than anything, this book drilled into my head that I need to be patient.


3. As ‘Dummies’ isn’t going to be a good source of up to date information, I purchased a few other books this week and am reading them now. If anyone has suggestions, please let me hear them! Currently I am reading:
a. ‘How to Set Up a Marine Aquarium Like an Expert’ by David Chipperfield
b. ‘Reef Aquarium Fishes’ by Scott W Micheal
c. ‘You can Create a Stunning Saltwater Aquarium’ by Laurren Schmoyer


4. I went to a local Aquarium this pat week and almost bought a Biocube 29 Gallon Aquarium. The clerk said it was a great deal for a brand spanking new person and that I would not be able to match the equipment and setup for that price (assuming all new equipment). She warned me I could not make the tank as crowded as the picture and that I would always need to be conscience of the size of fish I would want to include as there is not a lot of room once you start adding elements to the tank. Lastly, she mentioned that this would be a great quarantine tank down the road should I decide to move on to a larger tank. Recalling that patience was key, I decided to do some online research on biocubes and I am seeing mixed results. I would love the communities opinion.


5. After not pulling the trigger on the Biocube 29g, I decided to check Craigslist.com to see what used goods were available in my area, and I was blown away! There is a lot great looking tanks and complete setups that are the same price as the biocube. This has really confused me. I talked to a couple pushy sellers who were trying to get me to commit to buying something immediately without answering my questions, so I stopped talking to them and am currently just monitoring ads. I think I am very nervous to buy from someone who is either trying to rip me off or assuming that I can do more than I can (one guy tried to give me his entire tank including all his critters – he said I would have no problem keeping them alive and thriving…). My questions for picking up a used setup would be:
a. Can someone do something so terrible to their tank/water that even draining it there would be some toxic trace chemicals on the tank that need to be addressed before you begin (for instance, I understand copper is a killer to some critters, could there be leftover copper residue or something that could sabotage my efforts?)
b. How can a novice determine the quality of equipment (its current state as opposed to just its original value)
c. Can any tank be modified if I wanted to do something slightly different than the previous owner? I know this is impossible to answer, but maybe someone can address the ease of modifying a strangers tank…


6. I understand having a basic blue print of your future desired tank is key, but with some many choices out there for livestock, I just can’t commit to anything. So, in order to save myself and livestock from a rocky path of indecision, I decided to go for a tank that can house the following elements:
a. Clownfish. Yes I realize these are fairly cliché, but I have two daughters under 4 and they would love to have a Nemo. I know this is probably something everyone here has heard and is tired of hearing again, but I will risk being a lemming for anything that helps my daughters with their imagination while keeping them away from the television.
b. Anemones. I assume these are an obvious choice when the main “feature” of the tank is the Clownfish. Plus they are stunning and I could stare at them all day.
c. Janitorial Livestock. My limited research so far has lead me to learn about some livestock that can help maintain a healthy environment inside of a tank. I will be researching what live stock I can add that will not interfere with the Clownfish or Anemone, but I would love some suggestions.
d. I imagine that a tank that “features” clownfish is fairly common, so I would love any and all suggestions that can be offered as to livestock that can harmoniously add to a tank of that nature.


7. I no longer assume anyone is reading this as I have been droning on and on. If you are reading this, we should do something like a secret code so that we know who got this far. Hmm… maybe type the name of a particular breed of dog in your opening sentence without giving away why…


8. I will be moving in the near future (anywhere from 3-6 months). I am hesitant to buy even a Biocube let alone a 90+ gallon tank as I have no idea how traumatic and difficult moving an aquarium is. Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this? How difficult would it be to move a tank 1 hour drive away?


9. I can already tell from the limited poking around on the Forums that I am definitely behind on my lingo. Is there a good resource for lingo? I know it sounds silly, but it can often derail a thread for me if I can’t figure out terms.
10. Last topic for this post… I noticed in some of my reading the books instruct you to “clean” certain pieces of equipment or live rock etc… However, I never seem to find out how to clean these things. As everything is so fragile, how do I know what kinds of soap to use? How do I know what kind of brush to use, or water etc…



Thank you very much for your time and effort in reading and responding to my post. I apologize again for the huge wall of text, but I am just VERY excited! I will be trolling the forums here and seeing what answers I can learn on my own, but mostly, I feel like I am so ignorant to the hobby that it becomes difficult to follow some threads.

In the future, I will continue to post my progress and questions in this thread (so bookmark this thread if you want to see my misadventures!). I imagine that in the end this could potentially be a decent thread for anyone else who is a true know-nothing novice.
 
If you are truly trying to learn about the hobby and never have been into any aquarium before I would start with an empty tank. Whether you buy the tank new or used up to you but I think its important to learn about the cycle process. The biocube would work as a tank for a pair of clownfish but they are pretty limiting and if you want to keep corals and such you would have to upgrade the lighting and after that you not getting such a great deal anymore. I would try to find something used on craigslist that has all the equipment just without the livestock. Also dont think just because you are getting clownfish that you need to have an anenome because you dont. If you want one thats fine just make sure you research them alot because they are not that easy. You should figure what types of fish you want to keep and then try to find a tank size to match the needs of those fish. There is a sticky of top of these forum that is RC acronyms read that and that will help with the lingo you are looking for.
 
Great dane I have a JBJ 28 gallon as my first tank and I love it not to big and not to small I have moved twice with it not to difficult because all the equipment is inside the tank. Everyone one says start with a bigger tank more forgiving for water quality I don't know if that is true or not. If you are looking to have a bunch of fish then go big if you just want a couple fish but a lot of coral then I think the bio cube is great you will always want to upgrade down the road anyways. Just my 2 cents
 
5. a- Yes copper used in a tank can be detrimental to inverts even after being emptied and cleaned out.
b- the best way is to get something new, as a beginner.
c- Yes in a way, many of us have drilled holes in our tanks to install overflow systems for sumps, some have installed false backs to make in tank refugiums.

6. a- Fortunately Clownfish are probably one of the hardiest fish we keep, as well as they don't require a lot of space as they aren't that active of swimmers and tend to keep to the same area of a tank.
b- Unfortunately the same can't be said for anemones, they do better with well established tanks with very good water clarity as well as sufficient lighting for thier photosenthetic needs.
c- A basic reef safe clean up crew (CUC) will be fine they consist of different species of snails and hermit crabs, there is also a lot of varying opinion as to what should or should not be in the CUC.
d- Clownfish tend to be the most aggressive fish in smaller tanks, so adding them after the addition of other fishes would be optimal, many different species can co-habitate them, depending on how large of a tank you decide to get in the end of course.

7. My beagle likes sleep on the floor near the window where the sun rays come in.

8. I've moved 3 tanks in my time in the hobby, and it's now picnic even with a small tank. If you can wait, as I assume you can from what you've mentioned in the post, I personally would wait.

9. The stickies at the top of the forum have a list of acronyms and such, if there is something mentioned in a post that you don't know what it is simply ask, we love to help out, and the only dumb questions, in my Opinion (IMO), is the one not asked.

10. As for cleaning equipment, never use soap, I use a vinegar bath or solution.

I'm open to PM's if you have any other general questions or even advanced ones, if I don't know the answer it will just give an excuse to learn something new.

P.S.

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Hello Everyone,

Thank you guys for responding! I wanted to address all of your comments in this post, the post following it will be an update as a lot has happened since my first post!

@ on388 - I completely agree with your thoughts about doing it myself, unfortunately, after going to a few aquarium stores, I began to feel like it was going to cost out of my budget and I started to notice that I was getting a lot of mixed information. I began thinking it might be better to purchase a all in one system and trying to learn in a more hands on scenario. As I am so new to the hobby I began getting nervous about getting scammed on craigslist with old or out dated equipment.

@Refer_Madness: I really appreciated your comments. I think a 29 gallon is ideal for me and my situation. I would of course love to have a huge tank, but that creates more cost and requires more space that I might not have at the moment. Also, it seems like 29gallons might be close to the largest pre-setup cubes. I think it will be a good learning tank, also, it should make moving easier if I do move in the near future.

@ReefMedic78: Thanks for reading my entire post, I hope your beagle is getting good sun today! I decided to go with something new as I became nervos about getting ripped off or getting something old that might need to be replaced early. I went with a 29biocube. I noticed your comment on setting up the refugium, which I will ask about later on in the post as the store clerk mentioned something about this (and the most common move when you get a biocube seems to be replacing the bioballs with a refugium). Based off of your comments regarding anemomes, I have begun researching them a little closer. I see that they are an advanced critter. I think that if I can keep a stable and prospering tank for 8 months or so I might begin looking at them closer as an option.
 
reserved for my update post which im typing right now. I wouldn't have normally double posted like this but my previous post appeared twice (laggy connection). Sorry about that I know some forums look down on double posting.
 
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