Possesed switches

Randall_James

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I am tired of my system randomly turning lights off and on, pumps off and on etc. The system is running T5's and I am not very happy. Now on top of $500 I need to spend another $45 for a noise filter? The same thing happens on my PC's and I am sure it will on my MH's also.

You guys really should include this filter as it appears (at least on my stuff) you can not run reliably without it.

Seems that with over $500 invested I should be able to trust that at least my lights will go off an on as directed..................... My score of this product is starting to drop. Am starting to feel like gouge city is all.
 
That's the whole reason I just bought the ACIII pro with the DC8 and DC4HD. I've tried two other systems using firecracker and X10 modules but they just aren't dependable. If you start using electronic ballasts for your lighting things are even worse. At one point my home computer network was being messed up by interference fom the electronic ballasts on my tank. I switched back to tar ballasts which solved the computer problems but the X10s were still not dependable enough. I think the hard wired solution of the DCs is the best bet. (I hope).

Jay
 
My point exactly, how many saltwater tanks run lights without ballasts? This system will not even run my NanoCube reliably.

The gouge part starts to set in here. "Oh btw, you need to purchase our noise filters and our DC's to use the stuff you already bought for $500. That will be another $200 please.

Maybe I am expecting to much here. I purchase a specific product to do a specific task that it is specifically advertised to do. And it does not work correctly.

The concept is wonderful, the execution at this point is rather lack luster. I feel like I own one of those belly fat zappers at the moment....

I guess the majority of the purchasers are using the X10 modules with ballasts without problems? I would certainly like to hear how they are making their systems work.

AND of course they are taking the month of July off? My timing really sucks.................
 
This is one satisfied customer. I have the ACIII Pro. And the controllers are X-10. I am running (2) 250DE HQI lamps. The X-10 controls all my stuff. Lights, CA Reactor, Chiller, Heater, Pumps, Ozone, Skimmer, Fan, Moon Light. I have never had a problem with the X-10 not working right. Nor have I experienced the weird fluctuations as some have reported with Temp, ORP, pH readings. Maybe I got the 1 unit that works right!
But all kidding aside, I would in a heart beat buy another AC Controller. I can't wait for the upgrade to come this summer so we can run a second pH, Temp, and ORP probe. I will be one of the first in line to get "gouged" again.

And as far as customer service... read some of the other posts... Curt is always right there to help.

R_J... this is not directed at you in anyway, just stating the other side of "my" story.
 
I have three Icecap Electronic 250w MH ballasts and one 660 running with the X-10 modules and never had any problems. I did disable local control - but that was all I did.
 
I am a very satisfied customer too. I agree completely with Member No. 1 as well. I am glad they don't include the filter and make you buy it because I didn't need it. I have run X10 for a long time and never had any problems. I switched to the DC4s because they were much quieter than X10 and not as bulky.

You may want to check Neptune's website for the mod to the X10 devices. Sounds like that could be your problem. Some of the X10 modules need a fix to reverse an instant on feature that the X10 devices have built in. Random light turn ons are usually fixed by this.

In addition, I like the option of using X10 or the DC4 or DC8. If X10 works you can use that, if not you can go the other route. I think the DC4 and DC8 options are priced competitively so that they are probably cheaper than X10 on a per plug basis.

Finally, you should rest assured that you have really bought the best controller product out there. I researched everything before I purchased and the aquacontrollers are the best hands down. If you need any help, please post in this forum, there are a lot of people willing to chime and with their two cents!!
 
Well not sure why local control would be turning pumps off and on but I shall try it so as to exaust all options here.

Not sure I want to throw another $200 at this thing with almost $600 invested already. Are these tested before they are shipped?

And I guess I am the only guy with one that does not work. Figures....................

In addition, I like the option of using X10 or the DC4 or DC8. If X10 works you can use that, if not you can go the other route. I think the DC4 and DC8 options are priced competitively so that they are probably cheaper than X10 on a per plug basis.
Not sure how you came up with this,
DC4 is $124
CM466 is actually the X10 appliance module that can be purchased for $9.99 delivered each.
 
Here's a comparison for you and some of the things I considered.

In my X10 set up, I had my aquacontroller and essential electronics plugged into a battery back up unit by APC. I had the APC battry backup unit plugged into a 15 amp noise filter and then into the wall. I needed to do this since the battery back up was plugged into the same outlet as X10. The battery backup unit has noise suppression circuitry which will soak up all X10 signals.

Next, I had a power strip (with no surge suppression features) plugged into the wall. Into the power strip, I plugged my computer line interface and all the control modules so they were all very close together electrically. The computer interface module was then plugged (with the phone cord) into the aquacontroller.

Further, I had to use X10 appliance modules so that they could handle inductive loads - sometimes the pumps I was using for wave makers would not work on the cheaper lamp modules.

I then had to modify the appliance modules to remove the "local control" feature. This feature allows you to turn on the appliance with the appliance on/off switch instead of sending an x10 signal. Unfortunately, it is prone to interference and with all the RF around a fish tank, it will turn the lights on and off by itself. I think this is probably the problem you are having. The Neptune website FAQ section has instructions how to remove this feature with pictures showing you the steps. So, I modified all my appliance modules this way.

Everything worked perfectly for quite some time. The only problem was the loud clicking noise every ten minutes when the wave pumps switched.

After awhile (six months or so) I started to experience some burned out x10 modules (they just quit working). Once you open one up to remove the local control feature you will see how cheaply made they are. I think they couldn't take the wave pump switching.

So, I switched. I went to Smarthome and bought their appliance modules. These modules are much better made and use better relays that have the added benefit of being about 80% quieter. But they are more expensive than the regular X10 modules.

I figured that I shouldn't go cheap with the X10 modules since they were controlling some major dollars in live stock etc. The bottom line is that you can't skimp on X10. My cost for the smarthome devices was $21.99 per appliance module (the silent kind), $29.99 for the 15 amp noise filter and about $19.99 for the computer line interface.

Now, incomparison to the DC8 (which has 8 plugs and is priced at $174.95), a set up with 8 Smarthome appliance modules as described above would run $225.90 all in ($21.99*8 + $29.99 (noise filter) + $19.99 (computer line interface)). You really need to compare these higher priced modules to the DC8 since the DC8 uses more expensive parts (like totally silent solid state relays - they are even quieter than the Smarthome modules).

Even showing a skewed comparison by using the cheaper X10 appliance modules you get close. I could not find the modules at $9.95. The X10 web site has the appliance modules at $12.99 or $13.99 depending on whether you need two pin or three pin. So using the $12.99 price you get $153.90 ($12.99*8 + $29.99 + $19.99). This is within $21.05 of the cost of the DC8 which is a much superior product and has NO interference or reliability issues like X10.

All in all, I think you can get X10 to work, but you can't succeed very well with it if you go cheap (unless you get lucky). And since the DC8 pricing gets you close, why risk messing something up with X10. Like I said above, it sounds like your only problem is the local control issue. Try fixing that and see if you have better luck with it. Hope this helps.
 
Sounds like they should be bypassing the X10 stuff all together. Honestly if you are going to produce and sell a upscale controls system, you would be sabotaging your own efforts with the X10 junk.. (and I agree with the noise issue, the units in my living room display are totally to loud)

I will take these apart myself when I get back in town and disable the local control. (maybe this should be done already also?)

http://dynamichomeconcepts.com has the 15Amp appliance modules for 9.99 each delivered (AM466)
 
Not sure which module you want - Smarthome or Neptune.

As to Smarthome, the model number is 2002SHL which is a three prong appliance module. They have it now for only $12.99 but it is the one with the quieter relays. I paid more when I bought mine since they were two way. You don't need two way for the aquacontroller. The "local control" feature for this module can be deactivated by sending the unit certain commands instead of having to crack it open and do surgery. At this price, you are within the 20 bucks I mentioned before.

The Neptune 8 plug module is DC8.

Good luck!
 
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