power outage got me :(

Rhas

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Hi all long time no see.

As it says, I was bitten by a power outage. 10 hrs no heat no circulation. I lost Cleaner shrimp , Coral Banded shrimp and a Royal Gamma.
I need to come up with a back up power supply... I was thinking of a couple car batteries and an inverter, at least to keep the temp up. Has anyone any good ideas ? or better yet plans.

I only have a 30 long with a 20 long for a sump/fuge. I run a 150 watt heater in the sump. But in an emergency I will hang in the display tank.

Thanks to all Rob
 
I was thinking of those . I have to do some more reasearch to fing out how long it would run a heater at least. Thanks
 
Those are pretty expensive for a decent one to power stuff for a while. I know my computer will shut down after 5 min and i only use a 150W power supply.

Jasen
 
Look at some of the power supplies from harborfrieght.com
Some of them can be cheap. Sometimes you don't need a lot power to keep things under control for 10-12 hours.
 
I had a power outage for three days before. Battery operated air pump helped everything to survive
 
hand full of battery of battery op air pumps. make sure you have some good batteries on hand. what dandy said is a very good way to go as well but more expensive.
 
The only problem with a stand alone battery is you have to be there to catch it in time.

My plans are to get one of the APC power backups like the ones used for computers that sense when the power goes out and automatically switches over.
Ideally for a short period outage the only thing you really need are an air source to keep O2 level optimal and your heater.
It's a little more expensive but the peace of mind is well worth it, especially if you have a sump.
 
Please don't waste your $ on a APC. If you want to automate what I suggested above add a $3 relay. If you want to use a ac pump add a $30 inverter. You will get WAY more run time for your $. You want more run time add another battery. In fact buy 1 battery a year for the next three years. When you buy the fourth throw the first one away.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7882382#post7882382 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wds21921
Ideally for a short period outage the only thing you really need are an air source to keep O2 level optimal and your heater.
It's a little more expensive but the peace of mind is well worth it, especially if you have a sump.

This all is a wake up call for me. Here in Arizona I don't even have a heater. I also don't have a Chiller. If power went out for an extended period of time in the summer - 115 Degrees is the real problem. Power backup would have to be able to run my house AC. Good luck! I have been running fine w/o a chiller using fans evap. House AC is at 76 degrees tank holds at 80 degrees. A chiller pulls quite a bit of power 300 watts. I guess that's similar to some heaters. An APS and Chiller are starting to look attractive now.

Thanks for the thought process.
 
I would think circulation would be more important thn heat this time of year. APC has a 1500VA battery back up I just picked up on sale at Compua for $150.00 after rebates. You can get can get an add on battery pack for $125.00 that will tripple the amount of time it will run what ever you decide to run on it. I have my 156watt 3000GPH return pump on it and it will run for over 30 mins without the spare battery pack. http://www.gopossolution.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BR24BP
It should keep your heater going for a long time. Once I finnish up my new sump I will just hook up a sieo 1100 or 1500 up to the UPS instead and it should run that for a day at 8 watts. http://www.apc.com/products/runtime_for_extendedruntime.cfm?upsfamily=23
 
Good luck on your quest for an appropriate backup. I'm contemplating the same thing in this miserable heat. I assume the power outage was from the overloaded grid system that was caused by heat. Are you sure your fish died from lack of a heater or as laverda said, lack of circulation? We had a small ice storm last winter and we were w/o power for almost a day. The water in my 12g nano reef system got waaay down into the low 60s. I had it wrapped in insulation and even had to resort to siphoning water out to heat on our gas stove to keep it from going lower. Even at that low temp, I lost absolutely nothing. No fish or corals. However, I think heat in the mid-80s would be much worse. If we were to lose power this time of year, my tank would quickly get into the mid-high 80s.

The best bet and most multi-functional (for me anyway) is probably a good generator. I've looked at some of the smaller Honda models. I like them because they are reliable and QUIET. Of course it has to be outside so the humans inside don't go to sleep with the fishes;)
 
I could be wrong but, I've worked in the computer field and those battery backups only last for 5 to 10 minutes for the cheap ones. You can get a really expensive battery backup that uses huge batteries(car size) and they may run for a few more minutes then the smaller ones. I think you could get a small generator for the same amount money. I had a real cheap one and it lasted for 3 minutes before shutting down the computer. This was a few years ago and maybe they have changed since then and I'm wrong.
 
Laverda.... that unit puts out a modified sine wave (pretty much a square wave). It IS NOT AT ALL suitable to run a pump. It will ruin the pump and/or the UPS. There is a real potential for fire in such a setup.

I would suggest either looking into an inverter with a true sine wave hooked up to the pumps via a suitable CONTACTOR (not a $7 relay).... or look into the proper UPS with a true sine wave output. However, that is going to be a BIG expensive problem. Why?

Even if you get an APC BACK UPS PRO (decently formed sine wave output). It will only produce that sine wave during a complete outage. During over or under voltage conditions (brown outs etc.) The unit uses what is called "buck boost" technology. It skews the sine wave to aproximate the proper output voltage. THIS is again very bad for motors, ballasts, or anything else that is a reactive load.

These units are designed to run switch mode power supplies that don't give a damn about the waveform or how "clean" it is, as they are dirty PSUs in their own right.

Now lets talk about HEATERS and a UPS. Heaters are puely resistive and you would think that they don't care about the shape of the wave form either.... and they don't! However your UPS is not designed to run purely resistive loads either. When the heater kicks on it will cause a voltage sag on the UPS output. The UPS will try to compensate by boosting the output voltage... which in turn will cause a drop in available current. This in many cases will have devastating effects on the UPSs output compensation circuitry or the DC bus management portion of the UPS.

Is your 100W heater going to burn down a 1500kVa UPS... most likely not. But you will surely not get the expected run time out of it either.

This is all without talking about power factor and other problem with the APC stuff and your application.

How do you get around all of this? Well you buy a high quality UPS like a liebert GXT2 series that is an ONLINE UPS. The DC bus powers the outputs all the time and therefore there is no BUCK/BOOST and you get a 100% true clean sine wave all of the time regardless of the input voltage or noise (or lack of input voltage).

Where does that leave you? Well it is much cheaper to buy a good inverter and small rack of batteries. MUCH CHEAPER.

If you have an outdoor area with landscaping (close to your AC maybe) and close to you tank room, you can build a small vented battery box (even large rubbermaid container). Put your batteries and Inverter outdoors (you don't want to run low voltage DC long distances without BIG wires). From their run the output of the inverter to a breaker and then to your contactor (relay) that also holds the mains feed.

Then again a 7kw generac natural gas generator is only about $2500 intalled and will keep your beer cold as well as your fish alive... all automatically and without trips to the gas station for fuel. Don't worry about the grimmace from the wife, if you try to sell it as "look honey you can use the electric stove when the power goes out".... well your an idiot. You just say "look honey, we can watch Sandra Bullock movies when the power goes out, all we have to do is order then generator... you will not even miss your favorite scene because it is automatic!" and your in like flyn.

Bean
 
what about the battery back up deals meant for sump pump use?
I have seen the 6 hour continuous ones for around $125. Larger systems would of course mean more money but may be worth looking into.
 
an important thing to remember is that most heaters for decent size systems are 100 to a few hundred watts. Most main circ pumps are about 100-200 Watts. However, an air pump is usually in the 20-50 watt range for the biggest models.

A normal size (read - inexpensive) UPS system will not run a heater or your main pump long enough to make a difference (maybe a few minutes or and hour max). You coud run the air pump for many hours though. This will at least give you some circulation in the main tank to keep the O2 levels high enough for stuff to survive.

From my understanding, it is never a good idea to run a heater on your back up system unless you have a generator. They draw too much power.
 
OK I stand corrected (I think) on the APC for the heater. The point is, your tank temp and circulation are your two primary concerns. Lighting skimming and everything else can be thrown out the window for a few hours to a day or two or more, if necessary.
If you can't maintain a decent temp range AND provide circulation (tranfer CO2 and O2) chances are all your work and money will go down the drain. The main focus of course is the circulation and then your temp.

With as many power outages as are going on now it's something we need to seriously look at. Given the current Economic conditions and Energy cost increases as well........
Also consider that many of us may be carrying thousands of dollars worth of animals on board too. Unless and until you experience a wipe out (god forbid) it's hard to imagine how much it would actually take to restock our tanks after a catastrophic event.
 
Bean It has run my pump for 30 mins with out any problem. The one I had before ran it for almost an hour without any problems. The pump does run a little hotter @124 degrees after 30 min as opposed to 110 normally. For me it does what I need. My sump is not big enough and will flood if I am not around to shut off a valve or two in the case of a power outage. The power when out two days ago for 20 min and everything worked as planned. I have a generator for long term outages. The power has gone out 3 times recently and I am darn glad I had it! I am planning a new sump to over come the short comings of the one I got with the tank.
 
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