Problems in quarantine

fishfreak2009

Swimming in the School
So I am having some trouble with my quarantine. It's a 40 breeder with a HOB filter filled with live rock rubble, and a powerhead. Temp is a steady 77 degrees F. I perform 75% water changes 3x weekly on the tank with prepare saltwater heated to 77 degrees. pH is 8.2, S.G. is 1.022, Ammonia is 0, nitrite is 0, nitrate is 0. I also keep a steady level of copper sulfate (0.2ppm) and dosed praziquantel into the premade water following instructions on the bottle.

I have put 3 groups of fish through quarantine in this exact tank following this exact method so far with no problems, and all of the sudden I'm having a ton of issues.

First night and everyone was doing great, all the fish (3 juvenile Moorish idols, a baby flagfin angel, and a baby Watanabe angel) even ate around 30 minutes after acclimation (which was a 30 minute drip acclimation like I always do). The next morning everyone continued to do well. So I come home from class and the Watanabe angel is dead on the bottom looking bloated. It looked fat at the store but I figured it was just eating really well (which it did at the store). The other fish seemed fine, and still ate well. I did a 75% water change later that night and went to bed. Yesterday everyone continued to do great. So I came down this morning to check on them and one of the 3 Moorish idols is dead (not a mark or sign of disease on him, and nothing significant found on necropsy) and the baby flagfin is panting heavily. The other 2 Moorish idols are acting completely fine. I changed 75% of the water again with no change in condition on the baby flagfin, so I filled a 1 gallon aquarium I had laying around with water from my display and put him in there with the tiny filter and light that tank came with. He seems to be doing much better. My display has a pH of 8.2, S.G. of 1.023, no nitrite or ammonia, nitrate is 10-15ppm. I rechecked ammonia in the quarantine and it still reads 0.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just worried I am going to lose these guys. I have a flame angel in a separate 8 gallon quarantine who is doing great, and my fiancée's clown fish and staghorn damsel in a 10 gallon quarantine, while her tank at home sits fallow. Those fish are in the same water I use in the 40 gallon as well, and follow the same water change regiment. They are all doing fine. This isn't my first time quarantining fish, I'm just at a loss here as to what's going on.
 
I don't the 0.2ppm of cooper is effective. If I am not mistaken it's supposed to be at .5ppm. When you dose the PP, did you add any extra oxygen (like an airstone). Also is the QT cycled?
 
I don't the 0.2ppm of cooper is effective. If I am not mistaken it's supposed to be at .5ppm. When you dose the PP, did you add any extra oxygen (like an airstone). Also is the QT cycled?

Well established quarantine. This is the 3rd round of fish to go through it. I'm not using cupramine, the copper I'm using says to treat dose to 0.2ppm. It's copper from A&M Aquatics, a large wholesaler here in the Michigan. There is a lot of circulation between the HOB filter and the powerhead in the tank.

As an update, the flagfin angel has died, and the two Moorish idols remaining are pacing the back of the tank. I just did a 75 % water change with water from the display instead of my premixed quarantine water, so hopefully they come around.
 
That will be my theory, as most systems in LFS are connected. Did they show any signs of parasites or illness like flashing, twitching, etc. One more question you didn't by any chance put some type of water conditioner in the tank while treating with cooper?
 
That will be my theory, as most systems in LFS are connected. Did they show any signs of parasites or illness like flashing, twitching, etc. One more question you didn't by any chance put some type of water conditioner in the tank while treating with cooper?

No flashing, no twitching, nothing. Only reason I even picked up all 5 fish originally (including 3 moorish idols) was because they all looked so good and were eating. I planned on keeping one of the three idols unless 2 paired, and selling the odd one/two out.

No water conditioner of any kind has been added. I have a well, and haven't ever used any water conditioners in the almost 14 years I've had saltwater now.
 
I'm at a lost right now. I could be wrong, this is just my opinion, I think they had a bad reaction to the cooper and/or PP. At what point did the start breathing heavy? Was when you dosed the PP?
 
I'm at a lost right now. I could be wrong, this is just my opinion, I think they had a bad reaction to the cooper and/or PP. At what point did the start breathing heavy? Was when you dosed the PP?

None of the fish were gasping, except the flagfin Angel, which I first noticed this morning.

Prazi and copper were dosed the day I picked up the fish 4 days ago, and have been theoretically held at a constant level with the water changes from the pre made quarantine water. Copper is testing at 0.05 in the quarantine after my 75% water change with water from my display tank. I absolutely won't just add the fish to the display, I've lost my whole display to disease before and it was heartbreaking. That's why everyone goes through 8 weeks of quarantine no matter what and all fish are treated with copper and praziquantel. I'm even using the same bottle of copper and praziquantel that I used on the last couple batches of fish to have gone through quarantine.
 
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