AlienSpawn
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THAT was FUNNY Mojo!!!!!
Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!
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kmu
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I got a better Idea on what I could use it for...
First step, remove salt from fancy water tight container and dump it into the toilet and flush it.
Second Step, remove all Oceanic decals from the container and wash it very good and let it sit dry.
Third step, Buy a new Instant Ocean salt mix that comes in bag and dump it the fancy container...
What id I get in this, a $20 fancy salt mix container and a very nice reef tank looking like crap.
First step, remove salt from fancy water tight container and dump it into the toilet and flush it.
Second Step, remove all Oceanic decals from the container and wash it very good and let it sit dry.
Third step, Buy a new Instant Ocean salt mix that comes in bag and dump it the fancy container...
What id I get in this, a $20 fancy salt mix container and a very nice reef tank looking like crap.
Hi All,
I first started mixing salt around 1976 for a LFS that I worked at.
Over the years, I have used most of the commercially available salts and have had the occasional bad batch from most of them.
What constituted a ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œbad batchââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ varied to include Coral Lifeââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s problem with low Magnesium in the 1990ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s to Red Seaââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s start up problems.
If my RO/DI unit was functioning properly, my mixing tank (which was usually open and in proximity to the main and or auxiliary tanks developed a significant outbreak of algae, it was traceable to either a malfunctioning RO/DI unit or a bad batch of salt that tested high for Nitrates and/or Phosphates and/or Silicates.
Over the years, the most consistently ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œgoodââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ salt for me was IO, Reef Crystals, and Kent.
Yes it is possible to get a batch of bad salt. But manufacturers have a funny way of correcting these issues; it has something to do with staying in businessââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦
Play nice everyone.
Regards,
Scott
I first started mixing salt around 1976 for a LFS that I worked at.
Over the years, I have used most of the commercially available salts and have had the occasional bad batch from most of them.
What constituted a ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œbad batchââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ varied to include Coral Lifeââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s problem with low Magnesium in the 1990ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s to Red Seaââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s start up problems.
If my RO/DI unit was functioning properly, my mixing tank (which was usually open and in proximity to the main and or auxiliary tanks developed a significant outbreak of algae, it was traceable to either a malfunctioning RO/DI unit or a bad batch of salt that tested high for Nitrates and/or Phosphates and/or Silicates.
Over the years, the most consistently ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œgoodââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ salt for me was IO, Reef Crystals, and Kent.
Yes it is possible to get a batch of bad salt. But manufacturers have a funny way of correcting these issues; it has something to do with staying in businessââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦
Play nice everyone.
Regards,
Scott
back when i was big on water changes.
i use to mix Oceanic salt on a 45 gallon bucket, and would store the premixed oceanic water in there for up to 2 weeks, i never had problems with it blooming up with algae.
this was couple years ago, right when oceanic hit the stores, actually even before it hit the stores where the rep's would give out free 10 gallon samples
i even thought that Oceanic was great, it dissolved completely within minutes and left no other free floating cr*p, like i use to get with coralife salt.
i think if a test like this be conducted, it should definately be tried with different types of salt with the same exact procedures. to avoid conflict and confusions to hobbyists.
it could be that water was stagnant in the bucket and the ammount of light had to cause excess algae blooms, it really depends on the temperature of the water also, and if it was left without a cover, as dust and other free floating air particles can add dirt to the water and do cause some micro organism growth.
then again, like mentioned above, a bad batch of salt, which could be possible to any manufacturer.
i use to mix Oceanic salt on a 45 gallon bucket, and would store the premixed oceanic water in there for up to 2 weeks, i never had problems with it blooming up with algae.
this was couple years ago, right when oceanic hit the stores, actually even before it hit the stores where the rep's would give out free 10 gallon samples
i even thought that Oceanic was great, it dissolved completely within minutes and left no other free floating cr*p, like i use to get with coralife salt.
i think if a test like this be conducted, it should definately be tried with different types of salt with the same exact procedures. to avoid conflict and confusions to hobbyists.
it could be that water was stagnant in the bucket and the ammount of light had to cause excess algae blooms, it really depends on the temperature of the water also, and if it was left without a cover, as dust and other free floating air particles can add dirt to the water and do cause some micro organism growth.
then again, like mentioned above, a bad batch of salt, which could be possible to any manufacturer.
well they really cant identify bad batches for sale to customers.
if they know its a bad batch, a good company calls it scrap.
also, not every batch is tested. but a whole day production.
they can produce hundreds of gallons, while most test are done during quality checks before or after productions, so what happens in between will be un known.
as anything can happen. YOU KNOW, OOPS, OH-OH, from employees. but the day's production still goes on
i learned this from taking a tour in mike del prete's facility who makes aquacraft salts, please dont flame me if you hate aquacrafts, but most processing is all the same between companies, and im just giving the example.
mixing the batch are always not the same, there are formula's in doing it, but not every cookie has the same ammount of ingredients. when i toured the facility, i saw a guy scooping chemicals with a cup, and counting, while some cups are full, some cups have more, while some cups are less, who ,knows, doing big batches, the employee might even loose count on cups.
so i know for a fact that aquacrafts salt batches are not all the same " SORRY MIKE" so i could also guess the same manufacturing process with oceanic.
if they know its a bad batch, a good company calls it scrap.
also, not every batch is tested. but a whole day production.
they can produce hundreds of gallons, while most test are done during quality checks before or after productions, so what happens in between will be un known.
as anything can happen. YOU KNOW, OOPS, OH-OH, from employees. but the day's production still goes on
i learned this from taking a tour in mike del prete's facility who makes aquacraft salts, please dont flame me if you hate aquacrafts, but most processing is all the same between companies, and im just giving the example.
mixing the batch are always not the same, there are formula's in doing it, but not every cookie has the same ammount of ingredients. when i toured the facility, i saw a guy scooping chemicals with a cup, and counting, while some cups are full, some cups have more, while some cups are less, who ,knows, doing big batches, the employee might even loose count on cups.
so i know for a fact that aquacrafts salt batches are not all the same " SORRY MIKE" so i could also guess the same manufacturing process with oceanic.
selgado
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MikeSpS said:
Hey MikeSps, the Networks Administrator, do you by chance work for Microsoft? Har dee-har-har
I hope you take that in good fun!But seriously. I think I understand what you are getting at, but I just can bring myself to accept those quality control issues. And furthermore, if they are incapable of determining that they are dealing with a problem, they have lost my confidence. I'm not saying that I will shun them for the rest of my life and go on some radical crusade. They have simply lost my business. Probably for a while until I hear something that makes me think they care about my reef as much as I do.
E-A-G-L-E-S
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its not the salt....your funny,you ammuse me
woowoodengy
Upgrading my 20gal
E-A-G-L-E-S said:
read the whole thread befor you judge with your 9 word answer
did you try the salt?
even if you did give a reason why its not the salt
your the one who is funny!!!!
I've used Oceanic after switching from that Red Sea crap and even IO with nothing less than stellar results. I love the stuff. I agree with others that have mentioned your experiment proves nothing without testing other salts in the same method. To be scientifically correct, you can't test one thing and come to a conclusion. You wouldn't test drive a Yugo (having not driven others) on a drag strip with a 30 second time and proclaim it the fastest accelerating car without trying other brands and finding that it's the worst. You gotta do the same thing with other brands for it to be a TRUE scientific experiment.
There's one thing i can tell you with synthetic salts.
In my opinion, its probably best to go with Instant Ocean, as they have been in the business for quite some time compared to oceanic.
Im sure that instant ocean had already gone through a few problems with their formula and production, while oceanic being newer, their production problems are yet to be found, this may be a beggining of it, who know's
all i know is, i decided to try oceanic because its cheaper, I am careful in mixing them, and i do test the salt before it even hits the tank.
In my opinion, its probably best to go with Instant Ocean, as they have been in the business for quite some time compared to oceanic.
Im sure that instant ocean had already gone through a few problems with their formula and production, while oceanic being newer, their production problems are yet to be found, this may be a beggining of it, who know's
all i know is, i decided to try oceanic because its cheaper, I am careful in mixing them, and i do test the salt before it even hits the tank.
I've completely stopped using Oceanic and am using strictly IO (with CaCl added). So far it's been working great. One of my sps that had a lot of tissue loss has been regrowing alot of the tissue over the past week or so.
It could be a coincidence, but having realized that my freshly-mixed Oceanic has a brown color to it, I'm not about to take that chance.
It could be a coincidence, but having realized that my freshly-mixed Oceanic has a brown color to it, I'm not about to take that chance.
dga
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Trash can? check if there is a recycle number stamped on the bottom. if its a number 3 or 7 or no number, it may contain poly vinyl clorides or ethylenes which can become unstable with the continuous use of salt or sodium hypochylorite waters especially under high heat conditions, leaching out. this happens over time and may not be readlily apparent if at all. use food grade plastics. materials that are not from recycled post consumer use.
selgado
Premium Member
flaunt said:
I've had the same issues. First I started having brown gunk in my mixing bucket. Then the sps problems. As far as leaching goes, I started mixing Instant Ocean in the same bucket and absolute no brown gunk. Not so much as a film on the water or bucket. Maybe the buckets oceanic use have problems.
