Purchasing live rock

scuttlebut

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I have found that there are numerous places selling live cured rock on ebay really inexpensive compared to the 6 to 8 dollars locally. Is there a rule of thumb about how long rock can be out of water before it turns to dead rock. Shipping to my location is three days. Is this too long for live cured rock to be removed from water and if not can I assume it is safe to place it directly into my tank? The rock will be placed into the tank during initial setup of tank.
 
Rock will have to be cured no matter where you get it, If this is a new setup thats what you want some die off thats what cycles your tank, Just dont put any sand in the tank until it's finished cycling
 
I thought the live sand was to be put into the tank at the same time as the rock to start the biological filtration process. I realize this can take many weeks to accomplish and I'm in no way going to rush the process. I have been reading for weeks but seem to be getting mixed info as to the rock/sand during initial setup.
 
IMO, adding sand isn't that bad a deal before the cycle. I've never had a "bad experience' doing that. Sand is usually the first thing i add. But that aside, I agree with the rock comments. Even "cured" rock will have some die off occur. The only way to really avoid that is buying fully cured live rock that's been in a tank running the whole time, and then going straight to your tank with very little out of water time. Heck, I run to the LFS 10 miles up the street, buy some "cured" live rock and it'll still spike a small amount of ammonia/nitrite. Now don't confuse uncured rock with "dead" rock. Dead rock is usually 100% dry, no life whatsoever on it. uncured rock can still have plenty of bacteria and other critter colonized on it, but still the die off will need to be dealt with appropriately. rock will go uncured relatively quickly after being removed from water, but for it to be totally dead, that'll take a little longer. And FWIW, using dry rock, often sold as base rock for the lesser porosity of it, but you can find pieces just as good as live rock and it'll not have the dieoff occur, just will take time to colonize with bacteria but ultimately, works just as good.

If you have no livestock in the tank as of yet (assumption based on your intial statements) don'tw orry bout dieoff or the rock having to travel 3 days or so. It's not going to do anything other than help cycle the tank quicker. You just don't want to add "uncured" rock to a stocked tank with livestock that could potentially be harmed by a sudden increase in ammonia levels, nitrite, phosophates, dissolved organics and whatnot. You'd have to "cure" that separetly in a bucket or other container until the dieoff is done, and ammonia/nitrite levels level out properly.
 
If you're getting it online, there will always be more dieoff than if getting it out of a tank from the store. I bought a couple of boxes from my LFS at a reduced rate. They just added the boxes to their order from the wholesaler. It was a lot cheaper than buying the cured rock, and it was pretty fresh.

Live sand in a bag isn't truly live. I agree, add it after your rock has cycled. There will be a lot of "junk" from the rock as it cures, and it's much easier to get that out with a bare bottomed tank.
 
As for sand, especialy in a FOWLR, you have plenty of options and it's going to come down to personal preference. FOWLR don't really benefit from all the added microinfauna that a reef would, at least not as much IMO, so a deep sand bed is not neccessary at all, in fact, you could go with either a smaller 1-2 inch sandbed for looks, or even go cheaper and get crushed coral, being sure to gravel vac it often.
 
I'm in the same position right now. Just received my tank and all the goodies, just now planning on what steps to take to put some water in it and get it going. I'm going with uncured rock and was planning on putting it on a new sand bed, but not live sand. Is this a bad idea?
 
Not a bad idea at all. After all you are starting from the beginning and things take time to cylce and get the coraline growing. If you know someone that can give you a cup or two of live sand from their tank to help jump start things that would be nice. Just let the new rock and sand cyle for a couple of months and let the tank come into it's own before you add any fish and you will be just fine. PATIENCE.
 
I learned patience when I had a 1300.00 tank, stand and canopy in my dining room for 8 months while I bought everything to make it all work. Then when I had everything bought I had to clear the room, paint, lay down a new hardwood floor, and then move the tank in, drill the floor for the basement sump, and then I finally got to fill it ful of water and let the rock and sand sit in there for about 6 weeks. That is the definition of PATIENCE.
 
Since you are looking online check the reef central sponsors. I got mine two years ago from liveaquaria and I'm very happy with it.

Be careful trying to save money buying stuff from ebay, sometimes you find good dry goods. But when it comes to "live" items I think you want to check some of this professional business.

The customer service and the quality of the stock cannot be compare. If you have a good LFS that sells live rock buy from them.
just my opinion.
 
I got some rock from them. It had nice shapes, was porous and didn't smell bad when I got it (I live inFL, it took 2 days) It didn't initially have great colors or a ton of life, but it looks pretty good now, 8 months later (so too does the base rock I had in there).
 
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