QT Ready - Final Confirmation Requested

[MatnNatsReef]

Ich?

It and another clown came from LFS on 11/7. Only previous resident is an Orange Spotted Goby who remains virtually spot free. Very faint spot on one fin. Spots on clowns have developed in the last 48 hours. Display reef tank is tank 40gal that's 2.5 months old.

I just have to make sure before I pull the trigger and start the transfer to the quarantine treatment tank. All 3 fish are eating well.

Appreciate everyone's time....... And yeah I learned my lesson.

 

[ThRoewer]

Looks like Cryptocaryon to me. How do you want to treat your fish?

 

[crawling junk]

Make sure its not cloudy stringy. Thats brook

 

[MatnNatsReef]

I'm going Cupramine in the QT. Fishless and no additions of any kind in the display tank for 75 days. The Orange Spotted Goby is my wife's favorite and I don't think he'd survive TTM.

This really sucks because my wife saw pictures of my old 180gal reef that ran for 10 years and was so excited. I never had any troubles with it. To start this one off liked this is a total bummer.

 

[crawling junk]

I'm going Cupramine in the QT. Fishless and no additions of any kind in the display tank for 75 days. The Orange Spotted Goby is my wife's favorite and I don't think he'd survive TTM.

This really sucks because my wife saw pictures of my old 180gal reef that ran for 10 years and was so excited. I never had any troubles with it. To start this one off liked this is a total bummer.

Hey at least you learned your lesson early. Not with fully stocked tank

 

[MatnNatsReef]

Hey at least you learned your lesson early. Not with fully stocked tank

Beyond the 2- clowns and the Goby we weren't planning on adding many more fish. Maybe a Tang, Coral Beauty and a blenny or Mandarin. It's only a 40 and I don't want to overload it.

 

[snorvich]

Beyond the 2- clowns and the Goby we weren't planning on adding many more fish. Maybe a Tang, Coral Beauty and a blenny or Mandarin. It's only a 40 and I don't want to overload it.

Unfortunately the "maybe" additions need a larger tank. QT is essential but I would still suggest tank transfer rather than copper.

 

[ThRoewer]

I'm going Cupramine in the QT. Fishless and no additions of any kind in the display tank for 75 days. The Orange Spotted Goby is my wife's favorite and I don't think he'd survive TTM.

This really sucks because my wife saw pictures of my old 180gal reef that ran for 10 years and was so excited. I never had any troubles with it. To start this one off liked this is a total bummer.

When it comes to ich I would rather do TTM or hyposalinity (or both together for added safety and stress and cost reduction).

Also, a fish that can't handle TTM (5 transfers in a total of 2 weeks) likely won't handle it well being poisoned with copper for a month or more. Also keep in mind that copper is an immunosuppressant and doesn't affect all pathogens. Alone those two factors together can give you all kinds of "fun".

 

[Deinonych]

When it comes to ich I would rather do TTM or hyposalinity (or both together for added safety and stress and cost reduction).

Also, a fish that can't handle TTM (5 transfers in a total of 2 weeks) likely won't handle it well being poisoned with copper for a month or more. Also keep in mind that copper is an immunosuppressant and doesn't affect all pathogens. Alone those two factors together can give you all kinds of "fun".

Agree. I'm curious why the goby wouldn't be able to handle TTM?

 

[MatnNatsReef]

I'm open to suggestions. Was leaning towards copper because it seemed took be the most straightforward solution. Just my perception.

The fish were moved into the quarantine tank this evening. 10gal bare bottom with water from the main tank. Moved over 1 small rock and a sponge to keep my options open. Placed a couple of PVC pieces in for cover.

I don't believe an orange spotted goby is as tough of a fish as a clown and seems to require cover to feel comfortable. That's why I was thinking it wouldn't do well with TTM. I can accept being wrong if that's the case.

 

[ThRoewer]

Gobies are among the toughest fish there are.

 

[MatnNatsReef]

Gobies are among the toughest fish there are.

In that case I'm going with the TTM method with the first move already done. I'll use the QT tank for this first move and the final move into quarantine. It will be sterilized and dried between as per protocol. I'll grab a couple more 10gal tanks, heaters, air stones.

My wife really loves this Goby so I'm willing to put in the work get it healthy. If the clowns make it that's great too.

Sucks stressing him out with all this because obviously it looks fine but we all know it's infected.

 

[ThRoewer]

The trick is to catch the fish gently and without much excitement. Slow movements are key. A clear pitcher or glass works best.
Ideally you also let some of the water out of the tank.
If you get the hang of it the fish don't even realize what happened.

 

[ThRoewer]

After he is all cleaned up you should get him a partner and a pistol shrimp - they get so much more interesting that way.
BTW: pairing gobies is easy as they change sex as needed. Just add a smaller (or larger) one.

 

[snorvich]

The trick is to catch the fish gently and without much excitement. Slow movements are key. A clear pitcher or glass works best.
Ideally you also let some of the water out of the tank.
If you get the hang of it the fish don't even realize what happened.

I agree. A clear collander is useful.

 

[MatnNatsReef]

Couple more quick questions before the TTM begins tomorrow night. I greatly appreciate all the input thus far.

Can an Orange Spotted Goby, a medium clown and a small clown survive in a single 5gal bucket with approximately 4 gallons of freshly made saltwater for 48 hours without an ammonia spike or oxygen depletion? 70 Hours? Obviously any uneaten food will be removed immediately. I'm asking because using a brand new 5gal bucket for each transfer would remove any chance of a cleaning mistake. I want to make sure this is done correctly. Disposable air-stones & air lines for everything.

 

[ThRoewer]

I would keep feeding to a minimum.
For the goby I would get a few pieces of PVC tube to hide in.
Clowns like ceramic flowerpots (dirt cheap at Home Depot, Lowe's, Orchard Hardware,...)

Also, there is no need to dispose of anything after the treatment is done. Just clean everything, dry it well and put it aside for the next fish that has to go through TTM.

 

[MatnNatsReef]

Can an Orange Spotted Goby, a medium clown and a small clown survive in a single 5gal bucket with approximately 4 gallons of freshly made saltwater for 48 hours without an ammonia spike or oxygen depletion? 70 Hours?

 

[snorvich]

Can an Orange Spotted Goby, a medium clown and a small clown survive in a single 5gal bucket with approximately 4 gallons of freshly made saltwater for 48 hours without an ammonia spike or oxygen depletion? 70 Hours?

I always add Prime on day two.

 

[MatnNatsReef]

I always add Prime on day two.

I've got Prime on hand. I just don't want to make a stupid mistake by doing all three fish at once in a single 5gal bucket if doesn't give them a great chance for success. Obviously if they were bigger fish I wouldn't think of doing three at once in such a small volume of water.