QT snails from verified ick LFS?
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Definitely quarantine.
Chief Reef
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if you know it has ich you best Qurantine, Im not sure on the timeline for the lifecycle of ich at the stage where its tranmissable via hard surfaces but id say at least 6 weeks.
Deinonych
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If it were me, I'd do 72 days just to be sure.
Kidd Reef
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yeah 72 days is always best but i like to give everyone the minimum too, Unfortunately some people prioritize time over peace of mind.
Yes, and we see them come back to this forum for help eradicating parasites from their tank.
tylersarah
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One time I swished snails in three separate bowls of tank water with the goal of dislodging parasites, then added to the tank. Two weeks later all my fish had flukes. Now I QT inverts for 12 weeks, no exceptions.
Kidd Reef
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"A minimum quarantine period of 3–6 weeks at 75.2–80.6°F, is advised, and longer time frames (e.g., 7–11 weeks) may be necessary."
An exact quote from your sticky on ich. which has seen's thousands of more views than my post.
Please refrain from complaining about my post's if you've got a sticky up stating the same thing.
Edit: Actually your sticky even states less than my suggested 6 week minimum could work
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Deinonych
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That quotation is in regards to fish, specifically, not inverts. Inverts should follow the protocol for fallow periods, which is a minimum of 9 weeks. 72 days is ideal.
Also, there's no need to be combative.
Kidd Reef
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where does it say that? its under the prevention and control section of the Advanced Crypto Facts part. I see nowhere where it States its for fish only or where in prevention and control it even mentions inverts or the recommended procedures for quarantining them at all, IF he has a seperate section made for QT inverts it should mention that, but it doesnt from what im reading.I also agreed 72 days was ideal BTW, if your read my posts. I just said that i like to give the minimum as well since not everyone wants to wait that long.
I do agree on coming off as a little aggresive however thats only taking into consideration we were debating in another thread so i already came in argumentative and the possiblity he might have been talking about People who Prioritize time over Peace of mind like i mentioned. If that was the case i jumped the gun and apologise.
But if that Comment was 100% directed at me giving improper information i stand by what i said completely.
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Deinonych
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Cryptocaryon is a disease with requires fish as a host, so the content of the sticky focuses on control of the disease in regards to fish. Below is the paragraph in question, in which the third sentence clearly states the information pertains to fish.
Perhaps Steve could include some information that specifically pertains to inverts, but I believe his stickies come from scientific literature which may not address invert quarantine. Bear in mind also that the literature referenced by the above likely predates some of the newer treatment and prevention protocols like TTM and invert quarantine.
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Kidd Reef
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"An understanding of Cryptocaryon's life cycle provides a scientific framework for disease prevention and management. The ultimate goal of a prevention or control program is to break the life cycle of the parasite and stop future infections."
Encysting onto hard surface's is part of ich's lifecycle, and should be taken into account, It's also clearly stated the goal of this section is to break the life cycle of the Parasite and stop future infections All of which cannot be done if Inverts are not taken into account. Period.
As far as his information being outdated. It was Posted a year ago and Updated 5 months later. I dont think we just found out about the invert thing 7 months ago, correct me if im wrong.
I think your Taking all this as me attacking Snorvich but im not, i respect him very much as everything i know about Ich i know thanks to him, Pretty much. You can look up my chief reef Handle for proof on that, Me and snorvich have come across eachother multiple times and today is probably the first time ive given advice he contradicted( different thread.)
The Fact is if he says something that contradicts what he's said previously it literally turns my understanding of ich upside down because I learned about ich from all of his stickies, Thats the only reason i pointed out the sticky thing at all.
We arent even disagreeing in this case Because as ive stated multiple times i agree 100% on 72 days. I also Believe in telling people everything not just BEST method. But ALL methods. the only issue initially at hand was me taking his comment as "your giving people the wrong information and now when they mess up and come back we have to deal with it" Which he has yet to even Confirm. Like i said he could have just been referring to the fact that irresponsibility will yield poor result's if they choose that route and i just overreacted. which, if true. as i said i would apologize for.
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I have known about the need for quarantining anything wet for a long time. However, I did not write stickies on the invert issue because the stickies pertain to fish diseases. There are different issues depending on the kind of invert, but any time an invert "captures" water, there is a potential to transfer theronts to a display tank. So snails, hermit crabs, etc., which inherently transfer water are risky. So these, in theory, should be safe once the threshold for a theront finding a host has been reached. Now other kinds of inverts which may inadvertently have a phase of the life cycle attached (not as a host) present a different kind of issue. They should ideally be quarantined for 72 days for absolute protection. Remember, we are looking at probability distributions here so we want to reach as close as possible (although that is not really reachable) to the 100% solution.
There is a difference between reading knowledge and deeply understanding what is involved. Generalities can become problematic. And I do not like arguing or debating. That is why I periodically take breaks from this forum: burnout. Helping people and arguing these issues is a different level of time consumption.
There is a difference between reading knowledge and deeply understanding what is involved. Generalities can become problematic. And I do not like arguing or debating. That is why I periodically take breaks from this forum: burnout. Helping people and arguing these issues is a different level of time consumption.
Kidd Reef
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In regards to that statement only, I feel if your going to talk about a disease and prevention, ALL methods of possible infection prevention should be mentioned or discussed, and any new information added.If i were to write a book about aids, How it works, And and you get it. Forgetting to mention that Someone can be born with it(blood contact similar to the invert issue.) and therefore someone being sexually inactive doesn't mean they dont have it would be kind of a big thing to leave out. Like, 1 in a million but could possibly get someone killed big. id probably Rectify it as to inform people of proper prevention, since being as close to 100% safe is the goal, as stated by you.
My only point in all this is That if the point of your post in response to mine was to berate me for giving out too short of a timeframe(even though i said at least. and later agreed 72 days was the best way to go.) Then you should make sure that all the info your giving out to people(by putting Stickies up without 100% of the information available thats what your doing.) is Correct and up to date. If anything the Fact that i was confused on the invert subject is proof of that.
Other than if thats the case i don't see an issue, as ive already agree'd that 72 days is best after realizing that the information i read was lacking/incorrect.
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Kidd Reef
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Sorry, but even if thats true you should have updated the information or requested someone else to do so, as you did with the water droplets issue(which also doesnt pertain to the fish themselves but that you included later.)
If the possibilityof water droplets transmitting ich within a 1-2 foot radius deserves to be mentioned and edited into the sticky i dont see how the Proper Quarantining of inverts(which are alot more common than Two tanks being that close.) Didn't make the cut. thats on you literature quotes or not.
Also i dont find Debates as tiring, As it allows situations like this to be rectified that would otherwise slipped me, Even if im wrong It's worth it because i learn from the correction. Failure vs success and all that. then again i imagine you've been at this a whole lot longer than me.
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Deinonych
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Nor do I, but this seems more like picking nits than debate.
Kidd Reef
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The only reason its gone on this long is because you keep interjecting with Excuses that i have to Point out are flawed.
A."Its outdated information"- yes but he updated 5 months later with new information, and has stated he's always known about invert QT, Yet none of this information is available on the sticky's.
B. "It was for preventing the spread of the fish diseases and had nothing to do with QTing inverts." Okay but the Aforementioned update talks about Infection Via tank Proximity which also has nothing to do with fish, and honestly i would imagine its far more likely for the average forum user to infect their tank with a non qurantine'd invert than to infect a healthy tank by keeping an infected tank 2 square feet around it, so how are droplets edited in and no mention of the need to QT inverts, both forms of transmission do not require a fish, only for an infected fish to have been in the water recently.
C."it was edited marine literature quotes." Yep no arguing that. Still doesnt excuse the fact he's got outdated info on a sticky in a section titled "Prevention and control" sorry.
Beyond that theres nothing to talk about.
If your going to chastise someone for giving out information make sure the information your giving out yourself is up to date and accurate,Period. He refers almost everyone who ask's about ich to those stickies.
MitchSutherland
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I come to read about quarantining snails and end up Jerry Springer.
Deinonych
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Exactly. I'm done with this thread.
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