Queen Angel Advice
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ccampbell57
Premium Member
the issue is not the tank. A 7" queen was caught from the wild and therefore is going to take longer to acclimate to the small tank.
I would suggest putting some chaeto in the tank and let her chew on it...she will eat when she is hungary
I would suggest putting some chaeto in the tank and let her chew on it...she will eat when she is hungary
mattsilvester
Team RC
It'll take a while for her to settle...... best thing you can do is keep away from the tank, as much as often.... go about your day to day business, but "face to glass" peering in on her, and checking her will freak her out........ as ccampbell57 recommends, give her something to graze on, and let her to it.
Are there other fish in there? I assume nothing big enough to bully her? Dither fish are great for giving new fish confidence..... chromis etc.
HTH
Matt
Are there other fish in there? I assume nothing big enough to bully her? Dither fish are great for giving new fish confidence..... chromis etc.
HTH
Matt
Only thing is she started out great, first 2 days then this happened. I do have a 4" Sailfin that can be a little aggressive, she's been in the tank for about 3 years. But nothing they went at a little but nothing bad.
Note I had some flooding in my basement. had a bad rain storm here and I had 2 shop vac running for a long time. you think that noise spoked her.
Note I had some flooding in my basement. had a bad rain storm here and I had 2 shop vac running for a long time. you think that noise spoked her.
Pescado Racing
different orbital
Doubt the noise had anything to do with it.
i put a wild caught queen that was caught 2 days before purchase the guy had a 5 inch and a 2 inch queen i bought the 2 inch for 20dollars acclimated em for an hour put em in the tank he was harassed by my damsel he didnt eat for 2 days but on the third day he was eating pellets then started on krill and hes doing just fine. just give em time hell adjust
philter4
New member
One thing that people don't realize because I hardly ever see it in aquarium literature, only in scientific journals, adult queens are obligate sponge eaters in the wild with as much as 95% of their diet being sponges. If you start them off young and they never switch to sponge they are fine, but if you get a bigger one that is only eating sponges it can be very hard to get them to recognize aquarium foods. Give it time, sometimes they see other fish eating and if they are hungry enough they will try foods, once they recognize it they should begin to eat better and better with time. Another thing to try is the angel formulas with sponge in them, again once they are feeding they will often switch to mysis and pellets or what ever else you feed, it is just getting to start that can be tricky.
Good luck.
Good luck.
She just seem to bury herself in a side of a rock in the back of the tank, sometime you think it died, but I know it ok because somwtime (rarely), it come out swims back in forth like a mad man then goes back and hides. but it's only been about 1-1/2 days like that. like I said before, the first 2 days I had her she was fine, now just hiding. but let's see what happens. A buietiful specimen though. color is magnificient. I would really feel bad if I lost her.
mattsilvester
Team RC
Honestly, just give her space and time......
a 4" tang is not going to bully her to submission - he might try, but with little effect.
As long as there is plenty of cover she will come around in time.
the WORST thing you can do now is try to hard....... I would give her a week, an just continue to do what you would normally do to feed and maintain your sailfin tang....... give her as much peace and quiet as possible ..... I know what it is like, you feel like you "must do something" to "help", but really just staying away from the tank with the absolute minimum disturbance is the best course of action......
A fat healthly 7" queen can go quite some time without food before permanent damage is done.
Give her a week, then try some target foods........ but by then I bet you'll see her out and about and strating to feed anyway.
a 4" tang is not going to bully her to submission - he might try, but with little effect.
As long as there is plenty of cover she will come around in time.
the WORST thing you can do now is try to hard....... I would give her a week, an just continue to do what you would normally do to feed and maintain your sailfin tang....... give her as much peace and quiet as possible ..... I know what it is like, you feel like you "must do something" to "help", but really just staying away from the tank with the absolute minimum disturbance is the best course of action......
A fat healthly 7" queen can go quite some time without food before permanent damage is done.
Give her a week, then try some target foods........ but by then I bet you'll see her out and about and strating to feed anyway.
Well everyone I lost the Queen Angel, 7 days it lasted. very disappointed. I still think the tank (180g) was to small. It just freaked out. The only other thing that it could be was the supplier (Aqua Connection) bought online. sent me a sick fish.
But I have to tell you it looked great when we got it. ate the first 2 days I had it, then it started with irratic movements (I can always tell they fly across the tank at a million miles an hour) then suddenly it hides, next step is they stop eating.
then you just wait for the end to happen. If you want these buetiful fish and you don't have a tank of the appropiate size then your chances a small it will survive a long time. you really need somethig around 500g and up to really afford a place for these types of fish to move comfortable. It's strange but you can almost see they know they are really confined.
But I have to tell you it looked great when we got it. ate the first 2 days I had it, then it started with irratic movements (I can always tell they fly across the tank at a million miles an hour) then suddenly it hides, next step is they stop eating.
then you just wait for the end to happen. If you want these buetiful fish and you don't have a tank of the appropiate size then your chances a small it will survive a long time. you really need somethig around 500g and up to really afford a place for these types of fish to move comfortable. It's strange but you can almost see they know they are really confined.
ccampbell57
Premium Member
Sorry for your loss emilio...I know how frustrating it is with queen angels.
I am on my third queen. The first one died due to a heater malfunction in QT. The second died just like yours. It was in QT for 3 weeks and was doing AWESOME. She ate nori and seaweed like a champ. All of a sudden she stopped eating and then started to hide under the rocks. I basically watched her die right in front of me.
She was 6-7". My only thought is that she was straight out of the ocean and was under a lot of stress and basically became very susseptable to any parasites and illnesses.
The one that I have now came at 4.5" and is doing awesome after 5 months in my 180.
IMHO, if you want an angel and you dont have a 1000g tank, get them small and let them get used to captivity.
I am on my third queen. The first one died due to a heater malfunction in QT. The second died just like yours. It was in QT for 3 weeks and was doing AWESOME. She ate nori and seaweed like a champ. All of a sudden she stopped eating and then started to hide under the rocks. I basically watched her die right in front of me.
She was 6-7". My only thought is that she was straight out of the ocean and was under a lot of stress and basically became very susseptable to any parasites and illnesses.
The one that I have now came at 4.5" and is doing awesome after 5 months in my 180.
IMHO, if you want an angel and you dont have a 1000g tank, get them small and let them get used to captivity.
DamnPepShrimp
Moved On
I would buy a smaller one and let it grow. They seem to adapt the best rather then big angels. I had a 3" queen that was bullet proof. I had a tank crash and lost everything but my damsels and her. She didn't miss a beat, still ate and was a great fish.
Yeah, I wanna make the jump from 180g to 500g+ but everything I've spend to date would all go out the window. As you all know the tank is the cheapest part of all this, upgrades in sump, refugium, skimmers heating and lighting all change oh and lets not forget that electric bill. I've spend lots of money on current configuration, but if you wanna make jump to larger and more exoctic fish, you need to be prepared for that. I estimate around $10K just for start-up
sean48183
New member
Sorry about the loss. That really is a bummer. I'm sure it set you back a pretty penny too. I always buy all my fish small and let them grow up in the tank. Takes time but the smaller ones always seem to fair better and be more resilient. Your 180 is a good size tank and you can keep some good size fish in there. I think you could probably get a small queen and let it grow in there and be fine. They are really slow growers from what I here.
mattsilvester
Team RC
emilio62 - unfortunately it does sound like you got a very badly aclimatised specimen. If you decide to try again, my recommendation to you would be not to buy it online, but rather go to a good LFS. Explain your bad experience, explain you don't mind paying a premium for a well adjusted, healthy, feeding individual, and then get them to order you one...... and this time, go for a juv. - even if you do intended on getgin that 500 gal!!! Its so much more fun to watch them grow.......
As far as upgrading to a 500 gal - well for FO (or FOWLR) it needn't be a huge cost...... realistically, the things you "need" for fish are the tank, heat, and filteration...... if you have the space, and the capital to invest, then the three things I would see you needing are:
(1) The tank itself
(2) A new skimmer
(3) Some "dead" base rock...... reefbones type of thing.
The refugium and all that are just added bonuses - and you'll have a 180 gal sump, if you need it
As far as upgrading to a 500 gal - well for FO (or FOWLR) it needn't be a huge cost...... realistically, the things you "need" for fish are the tank, heat, and filteration...... if you have the space, and the capital to invest, then the three things I would see you needing are:
(1) The tank itself
(2) A new skimmer
(3) Some "dead" base rock...... reefbones type of thing.
The refugium and all that are just added bonuses - and you'll have a 180 gal sump, if you need it
