Question about Flow?

NaughtyCashew

Premium Member
I am setting up a closed loop to complement the waterflow in my tank from the Mag 18 sitting in the return (should be getting around 1000gph out of 3/4" pipe).

What sort of water flow I should be shooting for with the closed loop? I was thinking 500gph out of two 1/2" pipes would be good. Should I shoot for more?

My tank is only 40g, so I dont want to go too crazy, but I plan on keeping mostly SPS
 
A closed loop on a 40 gallon will do absolutely nothing for you but waste electricity. This is what happens when "fads" take precedence over efficiency.
 
Could you explain?

What about the benefits of eliminating dead spots for detrius removal and coral health through generating random current? Because my returns are only on the back of the glass, the areas that are in front of the overflow and underneath the returns don't receive any direct water flow.
 
40 gal is a bit small to set up a reef tank... SPS need stability, and a 40 gal could easily have large swings in calcium, alk, and salinity.
 
I am well aware of the challenges of a smaller reef, but right now my concern is one of waterflow.

Trust me, if I could have a larger setup I would, but I combat the swings with daily maintainence, frequent water changes, supplementation, and bi-weekly testing. I have yet to lose any corals, nor do I plan to.

If it makes you feel better I have a 20 gallon sump with a fuge, so my total water volume is actually closer to 60g.
 
Ive seen naughty cashew's tank and know how much of a reefing freak he is....You will be fine with SPS in your tank dude....But just like I said in the beginning do yourself a favor and get some seio's
 
What about those DIY Maxijets turned into a tunze by using an rc boat prop?...ends up costing you $35
 
In a 40 I'd rather spend the extra cash upfront and do the CL. Powerheads and such in a tank that small are a big distraction.
With a properly designed system stability need not be a problem even at 40g net. These small system make maintenance easy and water changes a breeze. I long for those days again instead of the weekly 50g change. :lol:
SteveU
 
yea, you're right...i hate powerheads in my main display. people spend thousands of dollares on their tank, and throw junk in the main display. it makes it look all cluttered imo...but they are effective.
 
Oooooo, you naughty little nut, you're a feisty one!

Ha, sorry wasn't trying to get uppity. Just to clarify, when I said SPS tank I meant Montipora dominated (verrucosa, danae, digitata, capricornis, undata..etc). You can keep your Acroporas for now...but I might try them later!

My fault for using such a coarse term as "SPS", especially after last months RK Mag.

So is 500gph good or what? I have my credit card out. ;)
 
OK, just for the sake of debate,
and this is all subjective information at best....

1,000 GPH for a reef tank should be more than adequate.
I suspect the real problem is how you are delivering that flow into the tank. Many people use the fancy hyloc wedge-shaped devices for their final output. However, these devices rob at least 1/3 of your water velocity, by my estimation. This is very inefficient.

Reefmeister's recommendation:
1) ditch the hylocs
2) divert the 3/4" single return line into two seperate lines via a 3/4" wye connector: (closest to final output as is reasonable) http://www.plumbingworld.com/pvc.html#wye
3) reduce the dual 3/4" lines into 1/2" and route to point in different directions into the tank.
4) Acquire two 1/2" versions of this device for your final output "nozzles":
http://www.aifittings.com/whnew10.htm
(also available at Home Depot in the electrical isle, model #NMLT5090-1 or SKU #1899706242-0)
5) Experiment by articulating the two devices in different directions to obtain the best overall turbulence for your tank.

These liquid-itght connectors are completly non-restrictive, non-metalic (discard the metal lock ring, of course) and non-obtrusive from an aesthetic perspective because of the neutral-grey color (tends to "hide" the device for lack of a better term, though coraline algae will eventually cover the device anyway)

Reefmeister uses four of these devices inside his 90 gallon reef(net 2,000 GPH) and it is literally a storm inside the tank! (I have to cutdown a bit to obtimize)

There you have it; no ugly powerheads, no closed-loop, no extra pumps, etc. etc.
That's my recommendation and I'm stickin' to it!
Good luck!
;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7214953#post7214953 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Siapin
any pix of that?

or a link?

Yes, as a matter of fact...
Here is a thread I started showing modifications to my overflow; it also shows the 3/4" version of the "Reefmeister Nozzels" heh, heh, heh; I just made that up.
Such a ham I am! green eggs and ham :p

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=672249&highlight=lifereef+overflow

Anyway, I have since converted to dual 1/2" connectors on both my returns for a total of four final outputs. I now have much more control over the direction of flow throughout the tank....believe me when I say "there are no dead spots!"
I don't have any pictures of the foursome yet, but they are identical in shape, just a bit smaller.


Here is the tank, just for curiousity sake:

(mannn, you got both a "link" and a "picture"...see how accommodating reefmeister is???) :cool:

63874DSC02832_web_.jpg
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7215297#post7215297 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Siapin
I'm officially jealous.

Do I only see 2 nozzles? Are there more?

yes, as I mentioned, I don't have any current pictures with the four 1/2" nozzles in place. This picture has two 3/4" versions mounted in place.

Hey, maybe I should start a contest to come up with a better name than "Reefmeister Nozzle". Whatcha think???
I'll could send two free filter socks to the person with the best idea.
:bum:
 
Thanks guys

I already made the closed loop last weekend, so I have this emotional bond to the device (plus the damn thing is already mounted). I'm really just trying to figure out what I should power it with. I think I will go w/ a 500gph pump which should come out to 400 after the SCWD. I was really looking for permission to go with a higher gph ;), but as you said earlier, I probably dont need it.

Kevin, I should have made you come over to my place to pick up that RBTA. After all of the above, I think you would find my current return agreeable. I just removed some of the restrictive Loc-line tubing and replaced several 90 degree fittings with black uv resistant tubing.
 
For that size tank, I say go with 1000gph pump, especially if you're running a scwd, which will restrict your flow around 30% more or less. That being said, take away head pressure and scwd, and you're down to a 1000gph pump doing 600gph max, and that equates to 15 circulations per hour. I say go with a panworld 50x
 
I already made the closed loop last weekend, so I have this emotional bond to the device (plus the damn thing is already mounted). I'm really just trying to figure out what I should power it with. I think I will go w/ a 500gph pump which should come out to 400 after the SCWD. I was really looking for permission to go with a higher gph , but as you said earlier, I probably dont need it.

"Emotional Bond"? Mannn, if there's one thing I understand it's "tenacity" so I know how you feel; I've got it in droves! It is more of a curse than a blessing sometimes! :hmm3::hammer:

Well, to answer your question, (LOL, it only took a dozen posts later to get here)
I'd go with a power-efficient pump that is rated for the flow you are seeking, but a little higher. You can always throttle it down a bit (too much is inefficient) but you can't increase the flow if you miscalculate. Also think of a pump that will be useful for WHEN you upgrade (notice this isn't "if") to a larger tank in the future. You don't want to have to constantly replace pumps for different applications, so buy something that you think will be universal for other applications. That being said, maybe something that is both submersible or external, such as the QuietOne series of pumps.
http://fishsupply.com/swqpa-01570.html
on sale @ $50, I'd say this is a pretty decent deal to get you started. Just a suggestion off the top of my head.

:)
 
Just thought of another idea:
I've got a used (perfect condition) Mag 12 that I was going to sell for $60....

If you want to try it out, I'll take half cash/half trade ($30 cash + the RBTA)

The pump may be overkill, so if it doesn't work out I'll just buy the pump back from you. ($60 cash of course)

Just let me know
Kevin
 
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