Question about handi-foam and pumps

[sugartooth]

I remember reading something about the pond Black polyurethane foam that dr. foster smith sells on here, but can't remember if it's saltwater safe for extended periods of time?
I am interested in using it for the back of a tank, but want to make sure it's okay.

Also, can people please recommend reliable pumps that I can use that would pump from the basement to the first floor no problem?
Are there pumps greater than 3000 gph that I can use? It would be for a 170 with twist and turns, since the fish room downstairs would not be directly underneath the tank. Is that a bad idea?
I would like a quiet, reliable pump that won't kaput on me. Less energy consumption would also be a plus.
I was considering a Red Dragon, but wow, $$$$$.

Advice is very much appreciated.

 

[sugartooth]

trying again.

 

[rxinc]

There was a thread on the large tank forum where a guy used handifoam in his reef tank for 3 yrs. w/o any problems.

I just bought some for my 225 gal back drop, my tank is glass and what I'm going to do is spray it onto some acrylic sheets and then afix that to the back of my tank w/ silicone or something else, just in case it starts to fall apart or I change my mind.

I tried some on a scrap peice of acrylic and it looks nice.

Return pumps - I am trying to so the same, but mine is a straight shot from the basement to the tank (about 14 ft). I haven't decided on a pump yet, and have been getting as many different rec.'s as people I have asked.

 

[sugartooth]

Thanks rxinc...
That's a brilliant idea about putting on acrylic to be able to remove it if you want!
Also, what have the responses been regarding the pumps?
I would like to know some names just to have a place to start...

 

[maxima k2]

Will your overflows handle 3000gph? Why dont you try to get the flow from a closed loop or Tunze. In order to pump that many gallons that far I would expect that it will be an expensive pump or cost you alot in electricity. I have a little giant 4 with about 9ft of verticle head and 30-40 ft of horizontal. I use an 1.25 inch pipe and it flows enough for what I need. Just some thoughts.

 

[sugartooth]

:lol:
I don't know if the overflow would handle it! I just kind of assumed it would....
Good point.
I have two overflows for that tank drilled for 1" bulkheads....
I guess I have to figure out if it would or not.
Yes, I also have it drilled in anticipation of putting in Oceans Motions.
So would you suggest not to worry about that much flow from the pump and just get the bare minimum and let powerheads, etc. do the rest?
I will check out Little Giant...Thanks!

 

[desjardiniidj]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8298932#post8298932 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sugartooth
:lol:
So would you suggest not to worry about that much flow from the pump and just get the bare minimum and let powerheads, etc. do the rest?

I would do the exact oppisite. Try to get alot of flow through the filter, where you need it. Then you don't have to see sooo many silly powerheads in the tank and a bunch of cords hanging out. Also, what size hole would you need drilled? Give me a call and we can talk about pumps and all that other fun stuff. XOXO, D.J.

 

[sugartooth]

Thanks D.J.!
I will call you!

 

[Rod Buehler]

You will be able to get about 1200 gph through (2) 1" bulkheads, and IMO that is more than enough going through the sump. I dont like to rush water past my skimmer. Im a fan of less flow through the sump, and more flow in the tank itself (via closed loop, tunze equiptment, or other powerheads such as seios)

 

[Rod Buehler]

ohh, I would recommend a good pressure pump such as a pan world/blueline. Depending on how far your twisting and turning, Id look into the PS 200(= iwaki 70) of the 250 (= the iwaki 100)

 

[sugartooth]

Thanks for the advice Rod. I'm not sure how far the twisting and turning would be either, since we just moved in and have not planned out the layout of the basement yet.
We have to build the fish room that would house the sump(s) and that would dictate how far the pump is from the tank. My guess is at least 50 feet.

 

[rxinc]

Also, what have the responses been regarding the pumps?
I would like to know some names just to have a place to start...

Panworld pumps seem to be the favorite, use the head loss calculator on the left side of Reef central homepage to start to get an idea of what you need, then look at the flow charts ( I had to use Iwaki's for panworld) to see which pump will work.

Sequence pumps such as the Hammerhead have alot of flow for the watts but too much for my needs ( 300 watts, 4000 gal per hr and that was AT 14 ft head)

After some research on high vs. low flow thru sump, - like Rod said - low is better...as much as I hate seeing powerheads in the tank.

Most people said 3-5 times tank volume thru the sump is all you want.

 

[sugartooth]

Would the design of the sump help slow the flow through it enough, even with something like the Hammerhead?
I have a trigger systems sump/refugium combo.

 

[sugartooth]

Along with Panworld and Blueline, anyone have experience with Sequence One?

 

[Rod Buehler]

I have never used the sequence one, but IIRC, its not a good pressure pump which you will need/want to make the long runs.