Questions on changing to Fish Only

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Bryan H.
I currently have a 125gal 4x2x2 Mixed reef. I just had a baby, and the figured I don't have the time or resources to maintain the reef the way it should be. I am going to change to FOWLR.
Here are my questions.
I currently have a 2 pur clowns with a RBTA, a 4" Salfin tang, Blue Eye Cardinals, Lawn Mower Blenny, Sand Sifting Goby, Green Chromis & 6 line Wrasse.
I would like some larger more aggressive fish, I.E. Puffer, Grouper, Scorpion/Lion & Trigger.
What do I need to get ride of? & what can I keep?
I don't really know a lot about fish only tanks. Would it be better to get ride of some of my LR, I have about 150lbs total. Should I get ride of my Fuge? What about Flow? What fish would you guys recommend for a Agressive tank my size?
Thank you in advance for any help.
 
Give it time for people to answer, what fish exactly are you looking at? I would fined fish that i want then ask on here.

By puffer are you asking about a large puffer like an arothron or a toby puffer?

Groupers are out of the question IMO because they end up so big and each so much food, including smaller fish.

If I were to get a lionfish i would get rid of the clowns, cardinals, blenny and goby since they can become a snack. Scorpions depend on the species. I would also get rid of the sailfin tang because they are too rambunctious for scorps and lions.

If I were to get a trigger, i would get rid of the same fish as the lionfish because triggers can be mean.
 
Thank you for the response, and yes I should give people time to answer. I have been doing much more reading about more aggressive fish. I have been keep reef tanks for so long I didn't realize how much I didn't know about aggressive species.
Right now I am looking at keeping my Salfin tang. I hope to keep my Goby, because he does such a good job at keeping my sand bed clean. I am going to get ride of everything else. Would like to add
- Niger trigger
- Snow Flake Eel
- Dogface Puffer
- Was looking at a large Angel, but I do not believe my tank is big enough so probably add a small Angel (maybe lamarac or Flame)
What do you think?
 
I think it'll work for a few years. I recommend getting the niger and dogface puffer small so you can keep them for multiple years. You will have to rehome the tang, trigger, and possibly the puffer when they grow too large for the 120 in 3-5 years. I would recommend a dwarf angel, I like flame angels, instead of a large angel so you can keep it forever.
 
eels are escape artists, they will climb out the top, out the overflow box etc. If you go that route you need to eel proof the tank otherwise he will probably get stuck somewhere & die.

Dogface I would say no, they get WAY to big for your tank. I always hate buying something & knowing when he gets to a certain size I have to sell him. You could go that way, could be a few months or a year or two before he's outgrown the tank.

Nigers also get big but grow much much slower vs the puffer. Should get several years out of one of these & since they usually do not have a attitude it should work fine. You could also consider a bluejaw or sargassum triggers which stay smaller & have less attitude.

Big NO on the large Angels, my 210g is small for many & from the size of a friends Queen I wonder if my 475g is big enough. Dwarf angels is what you need to stick with, there are lots of very cool looking ones out there.... like mentioned Flame is one of the most common ones

In addition to the sailfin (which can get HUGE) & blenny (& a dwarf angel or two) I would consider yellow or purple tang, blue hep tang & one of the best personalities is a hawk fish. Flame hawks have awesome personalities & are very fun to watch. They do get a attitude at times but are on the small side so no issues there. Many puffers will look at a hawk for food, so it's one or the other there.
 
Good stuff.
After reading more about Eels, I will probably avoid the Eel idea. I really like the Nigeria Trigger, but might go with a Humu. Is there a smaller puffer that would work better. I would rather not get a fish I will need to re-home in the future. Looking at:
- Niger or Humu Trigger
- Smaller Puffer
- Small Angel
- My current Salfin Tang
- large wrass?

Will the puffer or the trigger kill my blue eye cardinals or green chromis?
 
are those blue spot puffers the ones that get mean? Brackish water fish?

I would think some of the small puffers which I can't remember their names except valantini saddle puffer.... or something like that. Possibly a spinybox (I think aka burrfish) might work, they max at around a foot long I believe. However some angels, triggers & tangs like nipping on them.

I would say a small wrasse, they are a very active & fast swimming fish so they need room. Not totally sure which stay small.....

I think in the long run a huma, picasso etc trigger would probably be better then a niger due to the size they get. Nigers I believe get a lot bigger......
 
One of my current favorites for a large and active tank-

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I currently have a 2 pur clowns with a RBTA, a 4" Salfin tang, Blue Eye Cardinals, Lawn Mower Blenny, Sand Sifting Goby, Green Chromis & 6 line Wrasse. I would like some larger more aggressive fish, I.E. Puffer, Grouper, Scorpion/Lion & Trigger.
What do I need to get ride of? & what can I keep?

What fish do you love the most? List those as keepers, and we can help you build a stock list around them.

I don't really know a lot about fish only tanks. Would it be better to get ride of some of my LR, I have about 150lbs total. Should I get ride of my Fuge?
No, keep your LR and fuge, you will need them to handle the elevated bioload of a predator/aggressive tank with more fish.


What about Flow? What fish would you guys recommend for a Agressive tank my size?
Totally depends on the fish you choose. What flow do you have now?

Nigeria Trigger, but might go with a Humu. Is there a smaller puffer that would work better. I would rather not get a fish I will need to re-home in the future. Looking at:
- Niger or Humu Trigger
- Smaller Puffer
- Small Angel
- My current Salfin Tang
- large wrass?

This would be my choice for your tank (6' long, correct?)

-Dogface puffer - they are the mellowest "true" puffers, don't get over about a foot, and IME grow slowly. Consider a Solomon Islands black or dalmation dogface - very cool color morphs, but pricier. I would not get the niger or humu humu trigger - niger will definitely outgrow the tank over time (but could work for a few years if you are willing to rehome - humu humu IME will become aggressive.

-your Sailfin tang - it may eventually outgrow the tank, but it would take a while. Keep it as the only tang

-Australian harlequin tuskfish - an awesome wrasse, not a bully, very colorful, shouldn't outgrow the tank if you don't overstock.

-Lionfish, with caution - generally lionfish are not recommended with puffers. If you have your heart set on one, get a dwarf lion (fuzzy dwarf is a good starter lion, grows slowly, lots of personaility). Add it first. Have a plan B in case puffer bothers it. I have kept dogface puffers and several species of lionfish together and never had a problem, but if someone else tells you their dogface puffer harassed their lionfish, listen to them! (I've also kept several species of tobies - dwarf sharpnose puffers - with lions without problems - but I may have just been lucky.)

You could keep a dwarf angel or two - coral beauty and flame angels are both nice, and pretty hardy, don't contribute too much to bioload. Your tank may be big enough for one of each, but read up on mixing angels, and how to do it successfully, first.

Will the puffer or the trigger kill my blue eye cardinals or green chromis?
I don't think a dogface puffer would bother them, but a trigger or lionfish likely would eat them.

You could probably keep any fish too big to fit in a lionfish's or tuskfish's mouth. But do limit your fish to no more than 4 or 5 "big" fish (adult size 7-12 inches) and a handful of smaller fish. You should be able to handle water quality, but don't skimp. FO tanks need good water quality too. Some hobbyists assume because fish can tolerate more polluted conditions than corals, that it's okay to keep them in nasty water. Your fish will do better and your tank will look nicer if you keep up with water changes. You can tolerate some nitrates - however, IME I have noticed some fish seem to be sensitive to high nitrates, including puffers. This is just my own observation. You will find some people that say fish can handle very high nitrates, over 100 ppm, with no problems.

A good site for fish species research is wetwebmedia.com. Also, their sizes are accurate, which is often not the case with vendors, even the most reputable ones.
 
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LisaD thank you for the info.
My plan with this tank change is to lower power consumption & less maintenance. I will be able to cut my lighting way down and was thinking of changing my flow to 2 new K4's.
For the fish I would like to keep is my Salfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, sand sifting goby. I would also like to keep my Chromis & Blue eyed Cardinals, but pretty sure they would be picked off.
I want to add a Dogface Puffer, Trigger, Small Angel & a large Wrass or two. I am thinking the Trigger will just not work & asking for a problem to come, so I might get a Dwarf Lion fish instead of the Trigger.
Is that to high of a bioload for a 125 gal tank with a 55 gal sump, 130lbs of mature LR & a ASM G3 skimmer with a Mesh mod.
I have always done a 20% water change once a month with RO/DI water. Do you guys use RO/DI water for your Fish only tanks?
 
I use tapwater in my large FOWLR. My water is extremely hard, but it has some nitrates and phosphates most of the year. End result is I have a fair amount of coralline and macroalgae growth, but I also have regular blooms and die-offs of hair algae. No particular problems with diatoms or cyano though.

I guess it's a matter of your personal taste and the quality of your water. Tapwater comes with the usual problems though. I'd guess most probably use RO/DI.

also keep in mind that you're going to have trouble keeping a CUC alive with those fish. I have 0 snails and crabs in my tank... so algae is going to do its thing if you give it the chance.
 
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For the fish I would like to keep is my Salfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, sand sifting goby. I would also like to keep my Chromis & Blue eyed Cardinals, but pretty sure they would be picked off.
I want to add a Dogface Puffer, Trigger, Small Angel & a large Wrass or two. I am thinking the Trigger will just not work & asking for a problem to come, so I might get a Dwarf Lion fish instead of the Trigger.
Is that to high of a bioload for a 125 gal tank with a 55 gal sump, 130lbs of mature LR & a ASM G3 skimmer with a Mesh mod.
I have always done a 20% water change once a month with RO/DI water. Do you guys use RO/DI water for your Fish only tanks?

If you select fish that reach a reasonable adult size, don't overstock, and keep up with water changes, you should be okay. I would keep up your maintenance (20% water change monthly, RO/DI water) and don't change unless you have a problem with water quality and fish health. When faced with a choice, pick smaller species or individuals. If you need a skimming boost, consider adding a HOB AquaC Remora Pro or similar to ADD to what you already have.

Your tank is really not big enough for a trigger. There are some really cool, pretty rare Cantherhines genus filefish that look a lot like triggers, but don't have the size or the attitude. One of my favorite fish ever was Cantherhines macrocerus, the white spotted filefish (gets way too big for your tank). This fish used to constantly interact with me and my friends, and even let me lift it out of the water. It broke my heart to adopt him out when I moved from Minnesota to NC in 1994. Since then, I have seen, and kept, a few of the same genus, that stay smaller. They are rarely seen, but very cool. Liveaquaria Divers Den has had some of the smaller Cantherhines species. Look for:

C. pardalis, 25 cm - http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Cantherhines-pardalis.html
C. pullus, 20 cm - http://species-identification.org/species.php?species_group=caribbean_diving_guide&id=180
C. longicaudus, a little bland looking, but under 15 cm - http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Cantherhines-longicaudus.html (haven't seen this one available)

There are other common filefish that stay smallish and have the looks and intelligence (but rarely the aggression) of triggers. The mimic saddle puffer stays small and is a great filefish that actually looks a lot like a trigger, to me.

Dogface puffers are awesome and tobies are nice too.

I'd be very careful which wrasse you pick - some can be real bruisers, others are very nice, and some require deep sand beds. Species selection is key.
 
when I answered the post, I missed that the tank is 4 x 2 x 2. I'm thinking a tusk would need at least a 5' tank (I had one in a 5' 120), preferably a 6'. I ended up upgrading to a 210. My first "big" tank was a 125, 6'. That added length really increases the number of species you can keep.
 
when I answered the post, I missed that the tank is 4 x 2 x 2. I'm thinking a tusk would need at least a 5' tank (I had one in a 5' 120), preferably a 6'. I ended up upgrading to a 210. My first "big" tank was a 125, 6'. That added length really increases the number of species you can keep.

Ah. I once kept a 6" tusk in a 55g w/90g sump for 5 years, but 5 years is nothing compared to the normal life span of that fish, and in retrospect he had to be constantly stressed in that small of a tank.

I suppose that rules out my other favorite large wrasse as well. I've seen Coris gaimard terminal supermales in Hawaii that had to be close to 2'.
 
I just sold my 210 and I'm going through major seller's remorse now. :( With my now only tank, a 4 foot 90, I feel very limited. I used to have 7 or 8 marine tanks at a time...
 
Thank you everybody for your feed back. I still have a little bit before any fish are added. I am still in the process of selling off my corals and smaller reef fish.
I am looking to keep:
- Salfin Tang
- 2 large Chromis (About 2")
- Large Lawnmower Blenny (about 5-6")
- Medium Sand sifting Goby (about 4"
I want to add:
- Dogface Puffer
- Toby Puffer (Will the two separate puffers co-exist)
- Fuzzy Dwarf Lion fish (Watch with Puffers)
- File fish (Possibly a pair)
- Dwarf Angel (Probably Flame)

I am getting the Dogface on trade for some coral. His is about 5-6" Should I wait to add the Fuzzy Lion first, before the Dogface? I really like the Toby Puffer, but not sure how two different Puffers will co-habituate.
I know I will need to keep an eye on the fish and they act to each other. I have had plenty of experience having to re-home fish due to attitude. Even when you have fish that are suppose to get along, you some times get a a-hole.
 
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