Raising Clams After Spawning

Romulox234

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Well i havent had any of my clams spawn yet but i was wondering if they ever do would i be able to raise any little clams?

Or would i have to have a special tank designed specifically for raising them.
 
very very very doubtful that would be possible. you would need thousands of gallons and a team of people working around the clock to raise them successfully. They have some sort of peligic larvae stage or something.
 
very good question. They mariculture these now as we all know. I would love to know more about the process. I would guess they keep details under wraps as a trade secret.

I did notice several times after moving one of my maximas onto the grid in a frag system that when I cut him off to move him again there was a gelatinous glob underneath the clam under the grid. Likely some sort of reproductive mass. Not necessarly from the clam, but more than once directly under his location, it is likely??

Since it is being done at large scale mariculture facilitaties it should at least be posible on a smaller scale. The clam I am talking about started out at about 1/2 and inch if you could figure out how to get them to that stage the rest would be doable.

- mark
 
That gelatounas glob you mention isnt an eggsac from the clam, it is either the bysall threads that anchor into the rock to keep the clam in place or if it looks like abunch of eggs than you might have pyramid snails, these are very bad and will eat your clam from the inside out

Clams reproduce by shooting eggs and semen into the current and then hoping that they somehow meet and fertilize and grow into baby clams.

So what your seeing isnt the clam reproducing
 
In Fatheree's book on giant clams there is a chapter about how the clam farmers spawn them. If you want them to spawn immediately and they are mature you can do what the farmers do, but i wouldn't reccomend it. They take the clams out of the water and leave them to bake in the sun for a while. When they return them to the water the clams engage in stress-induced spawning.

You also have to realize that when clams spawn in small closed systems, like what most aquarists have, it puts a huge bio load on your tank that can cause tank crashes and death of all of your livestock. Basically you don't want clams to spawn in your tank unless you have a really big system or are fortunate enough to live by the ocean and have an open system.
 
Thanks for the info, i just thought it would be cool to try and raise a bunch of baby clams but i guess thats not gonna happen anytime soon

If they do end up spawning what should i do? Just a water change maybe run some carbon or just let my skimmer take care of it for me
 
If they do spawn you should do a water change asap, and your skimmer, carbon, and live rock should take care of the rest. It is unlikely for them to spawn in the average aquarium unless they are stressed out. Several of the TOTM's have had their large clams spawn. You might want to look through them.
 
I find that pretty wierd how most creatures like clams and anenomes spawn or split when there stressed, they never do it because there happy
 
When they "think" they are going to die they spawn hoping to help the species continue. They spawn when they are happy too, it is just unlikely to happen in the average aquarium. Too many things play into when they decide to spawn. Various things like lunar cycles, and seasonal differences trigger them to spawn. Typically we don't have these changes in our aquarium, however some experienced aquarists do have clams spawn because they are happy and not stressed. Anemones split when stressed, but also quite commonly if you feed them a lot and have a healthy tank.
 
Thats true i always thought it was wierd how everybody would say they only spawn when there stressed cuz i just kept thinking they wouldnt do that in the ocean.

I guess most people only see anenomes split and clams spawn is because they dont have the right conditions and all those other factors to make them super happy and see them spawn that way
 
Yeah, a lot of people have them spawn when they first get them and they are stressed out. There really isn't any reason why they shouldn't spawn eventually when they are kept in a healthy reef tank other than they just don't.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15404588#post15404588 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Romulox234
That gelatounas glob you mention isnt an eggsac from the clam, it is either the bysall threads that anchor into the rock to keep the clam in place or if it looks like abunch of eggs than you might have pyramid snails, these are very bad and will eat your clam from the inside out

Clams reproduce by shooting eggs and semen into the current and then hoping that they somehow meet and fertilize and grow into baby clams.

So what your seeing isnt the clam reproducing

It was just a thought, i would like to know what it is though. I doubt that the threads would need a gelatinous mass associated with them. Could be some other animal chosing the location under the clam to form a mass. I also dont think small snails would produce a large gelatinous mass. golf ball size. I have no idea what it is. The suggestions here seem unlikely. The clam is very health and established. Grown from less than inch.

Interesting though on a side note, i do occasionally see a small snail associated with the clams. After seven years though with the associatation they must be a different species of snail from what i read about so regularly. I am quite a bit slower to assume an animal is harmful than most people in this forum. Questioning everything until I confirm it myself has worked well for me over the years.

Back on topic, if it is a egg and sperm release as mentioned here it must be quite a task to raise them. If it is like other things I have tried to look into there are sometimes bits of missinformation planted to keep trade secrets secret. Did the author witness this procedure?

I do remember reading that some break through that lead to the farms. It could have been the technique to induce spawning mentioned here, I thought i remembered something about a technique to manually remove the necessary material. Unless it was a technique to get the fertilized eggs to recruit on surface. I just dont remember, or even know if it was accurate in the first place.

I would like to know more.

- mark
 
Well if you say that the clam is healthy than thats your desicion, im just saying keep an eye on it, sometimes these snails can all lay eggs thats why it would be so big

Also the thing with clams is they dont show any signs of stress or damage until its too late to fix it
 
I dont think the snails are pyrms, the ones i see are elonged small spyral white snails that i ocassionally see along the upper edge of the shell on my clams. I have been keeping clams for a very long time and have seen these before with no problem. Most of my clams live for many years until i sell them. I have lost two over the last 10 years, one maxima and one crocea, the clams i have now have been in the tanks for about 6 or 7 years or so. If they are pyrms a healthy clam can deal with them. I looked at a posted pic of them once, if the pic was correct anyway, I remember a dark colored small snail that was not elongated?

- mark
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15417610#post15417610 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MM WI
I dont think the snails are pyrms, the ones i see are elonged small spyral white snails that i ocassionally see along the upper edge of the shell on my clams.


Oh boy... that def sounds like a pyramid snail to me. A few pyrams won't hurt a clam but they soon can reach plague proportions then kill one, if you've had clams for 10 years and you've only lost two, then you either have excellent water quality and something that keeps the pyrams at a low enough level, bulletproof clams, or they aren't pyrams and I look like a big idiot.
 
Those most defianitly sound like them to me, you should take the clam out and rub it down with a clean toothbrush just in case

Would a revive dip kill pyrams and there egg sacs as well?
 
:) Funny, I did the same thing with the pinched mantle. I saw it for the first time a few years back after adding a new clam. I left the clams alone, did a few water changes to make sure they would have every chance to fight it off. It slowly went away. I have a lot of diversity of in my tanks. It is hard for any one organism to explode when there are so many to compete with. I think 19 out of 20 of the maligned critters in here are harmless in a well balanced tank. These clams live forever in the wild and they have the full spectrum of critters to deal with. In a bare bottom tank where the owner is afraid of anything that moves, poison when they see a flat worm, boiling rock to kill hydroids, on and on, any potential pest has a heyday when introduced to a tank like this. I see these little snails occasionally seldom more than one and I leave them alone. I hate to admit how long I have been keeping clams. I have always seen a few of these associated with the clams. I plan to one day soon start a post where i discuss the set up for my main tank, If a newb came into the beginners forum and suggested a tank like mine they would tear him to pieces. Many techniques from the past have for no good reason fallen out of fashion. The techniques that have replaced them have shortcomings, much of the complex equipment and more troublesome problems are the result of abandoning the principles that were proven years back. Bacteria and micro fauna are your friend. I do see a few prominent reefers who use techniques similar to mine. I hope these schools of thought are rediscovered soon. It is a lot cheaper than calcium reactors, nitrate and phosphate filters, ozone, or whatever electronic bell and whistle comes along next. Don't misunderstand I am in favor anything that works, but prefer more eloquent natural systems to the tail chasing that these overly complex and expensive systems employ.

- mark
 
Well thats great that they do so well in a tank such as yours, but what happens when you sell them? I know I wouldn't want to buy a clam with pyrams.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15417610#post15417610 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MM WI
Most of my clams live for many years until i sell them.

- mark

Am I reading this wrong?
 
Had not thought of that. I may need to give that a bit of thought and inquire how the few I have sold have fared. I have taken steps against some pests for that exact reason. Obviously any real distructive pest is elliminated and some just because of the reputation. Not as big a question as you might think as the clams I bought came from the very reputable sources, likely some of the same as yours and the snails were common. I have never carried clams as a specialty, if I ever go that route this would be a factor. It would not be hard keep clams cleaner than the larger distributors. There task is overwhelming given the volume of clams they move. These things obviously exist in the mariculture systems. That would further support my earlier premise.

GB WI, we have likely meet at reef events. As many frags as have sold in WI you may even have a coral or two whose mother colony is in my system. I have LPS colonies that are on four and fifth generartion frags and sps were I have lost count. I don't name my stuff, maybe i should but just seems so silly, most likely costs me some, when one of my LPS sells on RC it would be good marketing if it had a brand. If i get much deeper into this, still a hobby, out of control some, but still a hobby, i may turn to the dark side with branding corals.

- mark
 
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