Recycling old aquarium water for Phytoplankton Culture

mwp

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OK, this was another one I've been thinking about. I utilize TONS of new saltwater. A conservative estimate would be 30 gallons per week. A fair amount of that is for water changes solely to control nitrates and for the larval tanks. The other place I use new water is in my phytoplankton cultures.

So, considering that I'm mostly doing water changes for nitrate reduction, what do you all think about reusing the broodstock tank water for micro-algae culture. For the most part I don't remove sediments etc, but rather just siphon out 5 gallons of tank water and pour it down the drain. It seems that if this water were sterilized, it would be a fine "base" for phytoplankton culture - probably all I'd have to add would be the micro algae grow to supply the full spread of nutrients required. Would a phyto culture be able to absorb all the nitrate in the water? Would I reduce the amount of microalgae grow I need

I figure this could easily save 5-10 gallons worth of salt per week. I already try to limit my use of "new" water on my zooplankton cultures, instead relying on feedings of phytoplankton in to make up for water removed in harvesting.

If no one's tried this, I may do a small test run, trying this out on 1 out of 4 cultures I run for each algae type. I would want to test levels of nutrients such as nitrates in "old" water, after fertilizer addition, and at the time of culture harvest. However, I worry about testing...I've read that tests for items like phosphates won't really work on a phyto culture because the test will "force" the release of the chemicals stored in the phyto back into the water (basically, falsely high readings).

Has anyone tried this? Thoughts? Comments? Ideas? I welcome anything this talented and knowledgeable group of breeders offers up!

Thanks!

Matt
 
Matt, I do it all the time. I use discard water from my broodstock tank. I dilute it to 20ppt. I put it in the pop bottles 2/3 full. I bleach with 8 drops of bleach, cap, shake and store until I need it.

Then I dechlorinate and fertilize as though it is new water, and top off with culture. Done.

Typically, my water change discard water has no nitrates in it, though. I just change 5 gallons a week whether it needs it or not. Just my husbandry habit.
FWIW
K
 
"I utilize TONS of new saltwater. A conservative estimate would be 30 gallons per week."

:lol: Wish I had your problems Matt, I make 50 gallons per day :eek1: Seriously thinking about a big recylce bin just have no room for it :rolleyes:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8404188#post8404188 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by David M
"I utilize TONS of new saltwater. A conservative estimate would be 30 gallons per week."

:lol: Wish I had your problems Matt, I make 50 gallons per day :eek1: Seriously thinking about a big recylce bin just have no room for it :rolleyes:

Everyone probably wishes they had access to scripps water though David :D

Christine
 
So Kathy, you dilute your recycled water to 20 ppm nitrates? Or Salinity?

If it works for Kathy, then it wil work for me too!!!! That's some great news!

30 gallons - yeah, tons of water for ME, but nothing for most of ya ;)

Matt
 
Christine, I haven't used Scripps water in over a year, just isn't worth it. 100 gallons weighs about 850 lbs, about all I'm willing to carry. When you factor in the time & fuel cost, plus the fact that it's 60f when you get it, it just isn't worth the effort. Also I worry about pathogens so I'd want to sterilize it. Too much work getting it, transferring it, heating it and cleaning it. Sure it's free but it's just easier to make water than bother with it. :rolleyes:

For those who don't know what we are talking about, we have access to "free" NSW at Scripps Institute. "Free" is a relative term :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8404623#post8404623 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwp
So Kathy, you dilute your recycled water to 20 ppm nitrates? Or Salinity?

If it works for Kathy, then it wil work for me too!!!! That's some great news!

30 gallons - yeah, tons of water for ME, but nothing for most of ya ;)

Matt

Ha Ha, that would be 20 ppt salt. Yes, it will work for you. I would not be concerned about the residual nitrates. They will not hurt the algae growth, and might help.
 
The beauty of the is method, besides its easiness, is that it effectively sterilizes the bottle as well as the water.

Dechlorinate, fertilize and top off with your darkest culture.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8404691#post8404691 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by David M
Christine, I haven't used Scripps water in over a year, just isn't worth it. 100 gallons weighs about 850 lbs, about all I'm willing to carry. When you factor in the time & fuel cost, plus the fact that it's 60f when you get it, it just isn't worth the effort. Also I worry about pathogens so I'd want to sterilize it. Too much work getting it, transferring it, heating it and cleaning it. Sure it's free but it's just easier to make water than bother with it. :rolleyes:

For those who don't know what we are talking about, we have access to "free" NSW at Scripps Institute. "Free" is a relative term :D

David, I can see why you don't use Scripps anymore with all that you would need, but then I'm right on the water so it's much easier for me up here :) We of course have all of the filtration so ours is pathogen free...I just can't imagine making that much water but I'm spoiled!

Christine
 
I'm with David on the "TONS" part. I'm up to 50 gallons per day on slow days, 90-100 on busy ones. I have two 45 gallon drums running RO/DI mixed, one 45 RO/DI unmixed for top offs and a 15 gallon Rubbermaid at 20ppt water softener salt for my rotifers. Now, if I could only use water softener salt for the fishies I'd save about $20 a day right there. Although we are experimenting with a 25% blend on our main growout system.
Mind you, my little basement breeding operation/hobby has pretty much grown to sociopathic proportions
 
I started out using RO, but my consumption has increased to where I have switched to tap with no adverse effects - my buddy is a photographer and got me a 50 lb bag of sodium thiosulphate, so I have quite a few drums mixed up at any time.
 
I've been filtering thru carbon and a sediment filter to remove chlorine and mississippi mud, then using chloramX to get rid of ammonia and chloramine that might get thru.
No RO on the growout.

I have some soft corals in my broodstock tank, so they get RO.

The fish seem fine.
 
Actually culturing phyto in raw used water is the best method to grow ciliates:)
I use it for bs hatching and get tons of Vibrio:( Should fix it.
 
i dissagree Luis,

The best method to grow ciliates is in your rotifer cultures when you need them the most!!

I just sieved 80 gallons yesterday with about 100/ml ciliates!

Ed
 
well,2nd best method!:)
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8420790#post8420790 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
i dissagree Luis,

The best method to grow ciliates is in your rotifer cultures when you need them the most!!

I just sieved 80 gallons yesterday with about 100/ml ciliates!

Ed
 
I use the "waste" water from my reef's RO/DI unit. After all, the waste water goes through the sediment filter and carbon block before the RO rejects it, and otherwise it would just go down the drain. This might not be enough water for some folks, but works great for us non-sociopaths.

Happy reefing,
Jon


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8417581#post8417581 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aomont
Do we really need RO/DI for fish only systems ?
What about dechlorinated ?
Anderson.
 
please clarify whether you are talking about culturing phyto in this water, or giving this water to your fish tanks. The reject water is concentrated in nitrates and other pollutants the RO takes out. I would think it is unsuitable for fish.
 
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