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[lpsluver]

Re: F L U K E S....!!!

Re: F L U K E S....!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12952921#post12952921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NaCl+H2O Fish
Hey Everyone...!!!
In reference to Reefmack's comment about hitch hiking parasites on corals, etc. I was discussing my Royal Gramma's ich outbreak with the owner of a large, highly regarded LFS. When I asked about ick treatments, he immediately replied by asking if I treated my fish or tank for flukes! Hmmm?

Basic cause and effect folks.... internal and or external parasite weakens the fish! Weakened fish become vulnerable to ick, stop eating and die!!! I am a HUGE believer in water quality and fat healthy fish that eat good stuff like pigs! Hmmmm? They never seem to get sick!

Pretty logical stuff in my opinion! He told me that ALL the fish they sell have treatment in the bag water and recommended that I take the treatment with me when I buy fish elsewhere for the bag water.....

www.hikariusa.com "PraziPro" completely safe for use in freshwater and marine aquariums. Kills flukes, tapeworms, flatworms and tubellarians.

Anecdotally.... my Royal Gramma is fighting off his ick and still eating very well. I'm thinking that flukes may be a less discussed KILLER or our fish!!!

Opinions????
Kent a.k.a. NaCl+H2O Fish

You may need to check the ingredients too. Fluke Tabs will wipe out xenia, and GSP (and maybe even the pretty yellow polyps you have). If they are the same thing or have some of the same stuff you need to be careful. Fluke tabs even wipe out xenia if you use something that was in contact with the fluke tabs at one point (kills at extremely low concentrations).

FWIW

 

[Reefmack]

Sounds like PraziPro may not be all that reef safe!

 

[DontXtripNfall]

I don't see the similarities with my goby and the black clown goby in google images like you guys see... what am I missing? I can say that it was housed in a different tank that the gray clown goby and a tiny yellow clown goby were in... It has a orangish ting to its fins but its only apparent wen sitting on a light colored surface like the sand...
The green clown goby on marinecenter.com has a blue bottom in some areas.. maybe mine is a juvi?

 

[StevieTdrill]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12952540#post12952540 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefmack
Hi StevieT. Mine was eating flake and pellet fish food, and used to even go up to the top and outcompete some of the other fish in grabbing it out of the water, and even off the surface. But, maybe there just wasn't enough of the right nutrients to sustain him, and zero algae even on the glass, although he was always chomping away at the glass & rock looking for some. I have some spirulina flake - maybe I should have fed that more often. Now I'll have to keep an eye on the rest of the fish & hope it wasn't an internal parasite that came in with a coral.

Wow, you were lucky to even have him feeding from you in my experience. I had one for a long time in my old tank, but he met a powerhead intake one night and was bent in half killing the poor guy.

I have herd them just starving since they need so much natural algae, they are so cool but seem to be very "hard" to keep in a smaller tank... I really don't know, maybe it was something else with yours, hopefully the rest of the tank will be fine.

 

[Reefmack]

DontXtripNfall - I don't think the clown goby's color is due to being a juvenile. The first one I got wasn't much bigger than a mosquito and was a nice bright green. That first teeny one disappeared after a few days of hiding in the back - I figured the stress of overnight shipping and acclimation was to much for it, or else one of the other fish ate it. The second one, from the lfs, is a lot bigger and has been fine - out, active and visible at all times - it hangs out between the fingers of the big devils hand I moved from the RSM to the little 9g tank.

StevieTdrill - So far all the other fish are as healthy as ever so hopefully it was just starvation or something non-contagious that resulted in my year+ old blenny dying. It wasn't anything external. I'd get another as I really liked that goofy fish, but there's just no algae left to sustain one.

By the way, I'm not sure how good all of the information is, but this is an interesting site I came across last night:

Corals 101

 

[NaCl+H2O Fish]

PrazilPro - F L U K E S....!!!

PrazilPro - F L U K E S....!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12958149#post12958149 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lpsluver
You may need to check the ingredients too. Fluke Tabs will wipe out xenia, and GSP (and maybe even the pretty yellow polyps you have). If they are the same thing or have some of the same stuff you need to be careful. Fluke tabs even wipe out xenia if you use something that was in contact with the fluke tabs at one point (kills at extremely low concentrations). FWIW

lpsluver - Bob, thanks for the warning.... Rob at Exotic Aquatic on Oakland Park was very comfortable in his recommendation for use in established reef tanks. As I noted they use 1 drop in the bag water for every fish they sell to a customer. The labeling on the product says that it is "NON TOXIC TO COMMONLY KEPT AQUARIUM ANIMALS AND PLANTS".... It would make sense that it might have a NEGATIVE affect on tube worms! I do not currently have any Xenias.....

Anecdotally, my corals are doing very well after 3 treatments at 1 1/2 tsp. treatments over the last few weeks mixed with top up water and poured into the back. The listed concentration is 2.5 mg/L based on a 30 gallon dose and my RSM is more like 38 gallons.

I will keep everyone updated..... pros and cons!

Kent a.k.a. NaCl+H2O Fish

P.S. I am liking the idea of using a drop in the BAG WATER when I buy a fish. When I drip acclimate the fish... just toss all of the water out! In Mrs. Peers case she could use it in her QT tank.....

 

[Reefmack]

NaCl+H2O Fish - I take it you've been dosing the PraziPro? no effect on your featherdusters? Interesting.

Fluke Tabs: methl-5-benzol-benzimidazole-2-carbamate
dimethyl(2,2,2-trichlor-1-hydroxyethyl) phosphonate

PraziPro: oxybispropanol (as an inert solubilizing agent) and <5% praziquantel by weight.

Maybe they act on different organisms? I see that praziquantel is commonly used for tapeworms in dogs, etc.

 

[martinphillip03]

Fluke tabs and "PraziPro" are two different type of medications.

Marty

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12958374#post12958374 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefmack
Sounds like PraziPro may not be all that reef safe!

 

[NaCl+H2O Fish]

Fluke Treatments...

Fluke Treatments...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12961083#post12961083 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by martinphillip03
Fluke tabs and "PraziPro" are two different type of medications.
Marty

Marty - You are so correct!
I may have lost a featherduster from PraziPro.... one of three.
Sometimes it is coincidental to the treatment.... Hmmm? Not sure???
I may be loosing other critters that were hitchhikers into my RSM ... like sponges or other good stuff???
I am willing to accept those losses if my PURCHASED critters are doing well.....
Kent a.k.a. NaCl+H2O Fish

 

[Reefmack]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12961083#post12961083 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by martinphillip03
Fluke tabs and "PraziPro" are two different type of medications.

Marty

Marty - I beat you to the punch by one minute LOL!

NaCl+H2O Fish - Hopefully you won't end up with dead rock! Maybe different meds chemically, but they may have a similar long term effect on the worms, etc. You might want to consider stopping the PraziPro doses - it's not quite the same as a drop in a bag of water that gets disposed of - the repeated doses in the tank may just keep building up to levels at which they become harmful to a lot of things. Put your biology degree thinking cap on LOL!

 

[DontXtripNfall]

Hey everyone I'm going to try to make a new zoa morph.

"'ve seen a couple threads on Reef Central about how people have placed 2 different frags of Zoas on a rock and once they've spread and met eachother if their mats combine you get a whole new Zoa morph. So I'm going to try it out!


I'm going to take a single polyp off of my Radioactive Green and the same with my Fire and Ice with a razor so that the mat is cut and glue the polyps side by side (not using glue on the side they will heal on of course) so hopefully the mats will combine when they start start to heal and produce a new morph. Any helpful suggestions are welcome!"

Taken from my thread on MR. If you have a suggestion go ahead and answer here.

 

[NaCl+H2O Fish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12961413#post12961413 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefmack
Marty - I beat you to the punch by one minute LOL!
NaCl+H2O Fish - Hopefully you won't end up with dead rock! Maybe different meds chemically, but they may have a similar long term effect on the worms, etc. You might want to consider stopping the PraziPro doses - it's not quite the same as a drop in a bag of water that gets disposed of - the repeated doses in the tank may just keep building up to levels at which they become harmful to a lot of things. Put your biology degree thinking cap on LOL!

I like the idea of treatment outside the RSM....
Kent a.k.a. NaCl+H2O Fish

 

[Reefmack]

NaCl+H2O Fish - That may be the best way to use it unless you have a tank full of ill fish. I may just be too overly cautious, but I'd hate to see you have an overdose problem appear. I've been dosing AZ-NO3 for a few weeks, at a much slower pace and at much lower doses than recommended, and now that I'm very close to zero nitrates (0.5 or less on my last test) I'm starting to question it as there are differing opinions on whether or not zero nitrates is optimum, even for SPS. There is some opinion that a few ppm of nitrates may be beneficial to SPS, and in a mixed tank some nitrates are beneficial to the other coral types. I'm now starting to back off dosing to try to keep a couple ppm of nitrates in the tank.

DontXtripNfall - good luck with the attempt at forced morphing of the zoas. At the rate that some zoas multiply it may be weeks or a month or more before you can make any conclusions. That was a good idea to take two different colors to make it easier to see any morphing between the two. I've seen some information that some polyps reproduce faster if there is more than a single polyp to begin with - that's about all I can suggest.

 

[martinphillip03]

Thank goodness I am not a gunslinger. :lol:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12961413#post12961413 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefmack
Marty - I beat you to the punch by one minute LOL!

A very good point. You may want to contact the manufacturer and find out how long it takes for the stuff to break down

Marty

<a NaCl+H2O Fish - Hopefully you won't end up with dead rock! Maybe different meds chemically, but they may have a similar long term effect on the worms, etc. You might want to consider stopping the PraziPro doses - it's not quite the same as a drop in a bag of water that gets disposed of - the repeated doses in the tank may just keep building up to levels at which they become harmful to a lot of things. Put your biology degree thinking cap on LOL! [/B]

 

[Ridehavoc]

Hello there Reef Central..

Im from Denmark, and would like to hear if you could me a little..

Im all new in to this hobby, and i just bought a new RSM tank.

I have also bought the Tunze 9002 DOC skimmer, and i would like to hear how you have fixed it so you i can close the hood?

It is the new skimmer with a magnet holder.

Regards Kim.

 

[dxtr]

Transfer Done! After 2 weeks of stable levels and 20% water changes on the 14g and swapping that 20% back and forth between the RSM and the 14g i have successfully acclimated and transferred all livestock to the 34g.

It has worked pretty well getting the water in the 34g the same as in the 14g made the acclimation quite easy on all livestock. Only one showing any sign of stress is my Randal Goby; however, he was eating quite well this not long ago, so I believe he should be good.

On to the pictures! Thanks

 

[Timberwerks]

That looks great. What are you using for substrate?

 

[dxtr]

I used the bag (20# i think) of argonite (look like little round balls) that came with the RSM "starter kit".

I have also added about 1/2 of the LS from my 14g, about 8lbs, over the last 2 weeks. It's a much finer grain of actual sand and obviously full of life. =)

I'll be adding the remainder of the LS tonight.

 

[Reefmack]

Ridehavoc -

Welcome to Reef Central and the RSM Club! I'm not using the Tunze 9002, but maybe at least one RSM owner that is can give you some advice on it. I'm guessing if you left that black cover off inside the RSM power center that you could use the mag mount in that location. I'm not sure if that hood flap will close though.

dxtr - you're off to a great start! I love that cavern under the rock!

 

[NaCl+H2O Fish]

Ridehavoc - Kim.... welcome to our group! We always enjoy participation from RSM owners worldwide! We have many regular contributors from Canada, Australia, Singapore and the British Isles.... WELCOME!
dxtr - I really like the planning you have done with your RSM! Reminds me of what Reefmack did when he started his new 9 gallon NANO. LOOKING GOOD!:thumbsup:

Kent a.k.a. NaCl+H2O Fish