Redemption

whatnot45

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This is going to be my diary of "redeeming" myself in the relm of seahorses. I have not exactly been successful...

I have kept seahorses for about a year now, but none have lasted longer than 6 months. All of my seahorses, 7 in total, have been Either Ocean Rider Mustangs or Sunbursts (H. Erectus). I started after converting my 29 gallon reef tank into a seahorse tank. I started with a single pair of Mustangs. They were great for a while. They lived for six months, untill they stopped eating and died. I later found that the cause of their deaths was vibrio. After my male died, being the idiot that I was, I got 2 more horses. The female died shortly after. These other horses lived for another 3 months, then one died. I then had 2 females. At that point, I got a UV sterilzer, and upgraded my skimmer to an aqua C remora. I was having a big hair algea outbrake at the time as well, so I burned my live rock and re cycled it. After this, I reduced feeding myhorses for a week to just one feeding every other day to cut down on my hair algea. As you would guess, one horse died. I then got 2 more! These horses were extreamly healthy and hardy. And were thriving in my tank until recently when I had a power outage for two days when the temperature hit 118 degrees here. All three horses died.


After all this, I am not giving up! Im going to start over and do things right.


Here is my tank after the power outage and a week of neglect while I was on vacation

<img src="http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/imatallboy/before.png" border="0" alt="UCK!!">
 
Tank consists of:

29 gallon glass tank
Aqua C Remora Protien skimmer
CPR hang on tank Refugium
9 Watt Turbo Twist UV sterilizer
Clip on fan
2 power heads

Decore:
30 lbs of Liver rock (most isnt in the tank)
2 Fake corals, 1 Fake Sponge
1 glow in the dark plant thingy
31/2 - 4 inch Sand bed
Mushroom rock
Few zoo's
Toadstool leather coral

Clean up crew:
20 Nassariuse snails
1 Redfooted conch thingy
 
So tomarrow, Im starting this Project.

1st thing im gonna do is empty the tank and remove and components. (the living stuff rock, sand... will go into other tanks)

Its getting a scrub down (nothing soapy don't worry)
All the filter stuff (Fuge included) is getting cleaned as well

Then Im going to Get some WIndow Tiniting stuff and tint my bedroom window so that Sunlight will no longer be able to feed the hair algea. Also, Im going to paint the back of the tank bright orange so that when I do get seahorses, they will have a nice background to change color to.

Ill post pics of the painted tank tomarrow when Im done.
 
Just a suggestion, I have had the same seahorse for a year and a half and he is doing great. They like to eat several times a day. Get a lot of hermit crabs to eat any excess food and help with the hair algae. I wouldn't take anything out of the tank that isn't dead. Removing everything will destroy your bacterial system. The hair algae may be frustrating but its not unhealthy, I usually let a little grow on the back of my seahorse tank just because they love hitch in it and it is great for removing nitrite. I feed hikarii mysis shrimp but if you ever go away for a few days you can order a bag of ampapods to seed your tank. If they ever stop eating again try kent marine garlic extract, put it on their food. If you burned your live rock you killed all the organisms in it and recycling is not going to replace them. Seahorses hunt the creatures living in the rock between feedings so I would order new live rock, what you have now is considered base rock. I would also order a bag of ampapods and copapods if you are only feeding every oter day at times. Good Luck
 
Does anyone know if vibrio can survive in a tank without seahorses? If so, how long?

If it can last in a fallow tank, you might end up introducing new horses into the same vibrio environment.
 
Yes, but vibrio is not what was killing my seahorses. ALl of my seahorses come from the same breader, and are thus already exposed to the same strain of vibrio. Therefore, they have resistance to it. The reason the first two died from it was that they stopped eating my mysis that I was feeding them (hikari), and their imune systems suffered. I recently switched to PE mysis.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7894056#post7894056 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by whatnot45
Yes, but vibrio is not what was killing my seahorses. ALl of my seahorses come from the same breader, and are thus already exposed to the same strain of vibrio. Therefore, they have resistance to it. The reason the first two died from it was that they stopped eating my mysis that I was feeding them (hikari), and their imune systems suffered. I recently switched to PE mysis.

Not always true. If the horses were bought 6 months apart like you stated, it is possible that they came from different systems therefore being exposed to different bacterias.

Even if all the horses were all exposed to the same strain of Vibrio, the stress from shipping and a new tank will reduce their immune system to the point that they can die from that strain, especially if the new horse weren't quarantined to make sure they were healthy when you got them.

And yes, Vibrio can and will live in a system with no seahorses. IIRC, the life cycle is 6-8 weeks without a host. But, Vibrio has also been found in copepods and other fish so even if there is any livestock in the tank, it is possible for the Vibrio to survive.

You yourself said that Vibior is what killed your original horse, so it is most likely what killed the rest of them. A healthy seahorse will not stop eating, so it is highly likely that the stopping eating was a result of the bacterial infection, not the other way around.

My suggestion would be to take everything down and start over. Wouldn't even hurt to give the tank and all equipment a good bleaching and then a good rinsing with fresh water and a dechlor product. You can never really be too safe, IMO.
 
ok I might as well! Question: will I have to replace my live sand bed? can I just say soak it in fresh water for a while? would that kill off any vibrio? or i could even boil it...

As of right now, The tank has been stripped down to just the sand and about 2 inches of water. All the filters, fuge everything is waiting to be cleaned, my rock and fake corals are sitting out, and my corals and calurpa are in another tank. Should I get rid of my corals and macros all together? :mad: I will do what it takes as long as it dosnt cost a ton because my parents are getting really anoid at how much I have been spending lately XD.
 
You should be fine with just rinsing the sand bed, but boiling would work too. Either way it will no longer be live sand.

Corals and macros should be fine.

Also may I suggest getting your next horses from either Draco marine or Seahorse Source. Both are very reputable breeders and are here in the states. It will save you lots of money, mainly on the cost of the horses. This hobby is truly expensive and more addicting than crack.
 
One other question would it be safe to keep my nassarius snails? Do they carry vibrio? Also what about my pods Could I save a couple of them to re seed the tank or would this be conterproductive?
 
To each his own. All your are buying is way overpriced erectus, but if you want to spend hundreds for a seahorse of a certain color with no guarantee it will stay that way then so be it.

I was just trying to help save you some money since you said your folks were getting annoyed with all the money.

I have no affiliation with either company I mentioned, just trying to give you options for some healthier stock and save you a buck in the process.

Do a search for either company on here or the other seahorse boards and you will find a ton more satisified customers than you will from Ocean Rider.
 
To be on the safe side, I wouldn't save much of anything live from the tank. Definitely not something like pods which are fairly easy to replace. Heck I'll send you a wad of Chaetomorpha to get that started if you need it. Snails.. hmmm. So many things cycle through snails, they are hosts to a wide variety of things. I dont think I'd chance it.

>Sarah
 
Ok then I wont thanks. And Ill freshwater dip all my calurpa. My mushroom corals can go into my 5 gallon tank along with my toadstool. Thanks guys for all of your help!
 
Ok the tank has been emptied, cleaned, and painted. The paint is drying now. The sand has been soaked for 2 days in fresh tap water. I doubt if any vibrio could survive that. Ill post some pics tonight after it dries.
 
Oo I need someone's opinion. Should I get a pair of kuda from seahorse source, or a pair of sunbursts (erectus) from Ocean Rider?

I would eventually like to try my luck at raising fry, and was wondering which would be easier to raise. I know that erectus fry are supposed to be super easy, but I have no clue about kuda. Can they hitch from birth? do they take BBS from day one? If not, then ill go with erectus
 
Erectus fry hitch at birth (usually) and take bbs from day one. Kuda fry do not hitch and it's best to start them on rotifers.

Tom
 
ok darn because kuda are much cheaper oh well Erectus it is lol. OH and i have a pic of the orange background now too here it is:

<img src="http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/imatallboy/Bgtank.jpg" border="0" alt="ITS CLEAN!"
 
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