espocrespo
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Apogon parvulus Redspot Cardinalfish. Does any have any experience with these, and any information to share, as im thinking of adding some to my frag tank, just liven it up a bit.
Redspot Cardinalfish - Apogon parvulus
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The parvulus just don't make it. Liveaquaria DD had a group of I think three a couple days ago, but that is a waste of money. If you want to have any success at all, I'd recommend a huge group of like 20 and see how many make it. That being said liveaquaria is probably your best source for them and only one of a few places I've seen them for sale.
Jared J
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Wow, has anyone done this? How long does it take to acclimate them to saltwater? That would definitely look different.
IFbettas
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Mollies are one of the easiest fish to convert to saltwater. Put them in a bucket of freshwater, and everyday raise up the salinity a little until it reaches that of your tank. Then you can just toss them in. Some people put mollies in their tanks as a constant supply of live food. They breed so prolifically that there will often be babies for the other fish to eat.
DFS
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Red Spot Glass Cardinalfish- Apogon parvulus have statistically suffered very high mortality rates, due mainly in part from poor post-harvest handling. These fishes need to be fed properly once imported and allowed time to rest and regain body weight before being shipped again.
We have received several great batches of these fish in the past month or so, with little to no mortality. This can be directly attributed to proper handling and conditioning. Once they arrive to us, holding them with small, less active and passive fish, and with intensive conditioning for a few weeks, they are rock solid fish.
I would agree that these fish can suffer extremely high mortality rates, but with the proper handling and conditioning there are good ones available.
I snapped this pic last week of one fish from a group of 12 that are all fat, happy and thriving.
Cheers,
We have received several great batches of these fish in the past month or so, with little to no mortality. This can be directly attributed to proper handling and conditioning. Once they arrive to us, holding them with small, less active and passive fish, and with intensive conditioning for a few weeks, they are rock solid fish.
I would agree that these fish can suffer extremely high mortality rates, but with the proper handling and conditioning there are good ones available.
I snapped this pic last week of one fish from a group of 12 that are all fat, happy and thriving.
Cheers,
DFS
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Jared,
Unfortunately we do not have a waiting list, but keep an eye out this week in the Divers Den for some more of them. I have had the best results stating them off on Cyclopeeze and Ova (prawn eggs), then enriched small mysis and enriched spirulina brine shrimp. After a few weeks they consume almost any prepared foods that they can fit into their mouths.
Regards,
Its very easy to convert mollies, especially if they started in brackish water. Actually, I've only have experience with brackish mollies. Black mollies and sailfin mollies can easily be converted. I've done it in as little as 12 hours with no harmful affects. I've known people who have converted fancy guppies, but they have converted them over a longer period of time. Just something to consider.
Kevin I think it would be awesome if you could keep some and document their success! I have heard of others who have had them eating and they still didn't make it: http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=165&t=1060
DFS
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Tim,
I read through the thread on the MOFIB forum and have a great deal of respect for Peter n Belgium, who I converse with from time to time as he is a diehard fish enthusiast and has a true passion for marine fishes. Peter has helped advance the hobby in so many ways in Europe and that iformation eventually makes it way to the states to the benefit of all of us.
Their discussion on this species took place in the fall of 2007 through early 2008, which coincides to the time these fishes first appeared in the marine ornamentals industry in any significant numbers. This was also the time when these fishes were suffering from extreme mortality due to the problems I listed at the beginning of this thread.
I have seen this countless times with new species that enter the trade. Most attempt this fish once or twice, and then immediately write off a particular species. In most cases the problems associated with their demise are beyond our control, and start with poor collection practices, improper handling, very long chains of custody, or poor packaging protocols from overseas suppliers which all negatively impact the fishes’ survival rate.
On advantage of working with good, knowledgeable suppliers and exporters is having the ability to communicate effectively so that issues can be identified, addressed and corrected when needed.
From what I have seen recently is a turn in a very positive direction with this species from what I experienced when handling them in 2008. I will set aside a group of A. parvulus as you have suggested and document my findings which hopefully will be beneficial to everyone, because I feel these fish can do well in home aquaria, and would make a great candidate for an intensive captive breeding program.
Cheers,
I read through the thread on the MOFIB forum and have a great deal of respect for Peter n Belgium, who I converse with from time to time as he is a diehard fish enthusiast and has a true passion for marine fishes. Peter has helped advance the hobby in so many ways in Europe and that iformation eventually makes it way to the states to the benefit of all of us.
Their discussion on this species took place in the fall of 2007 through early 2008, which coincides to the time these fishes first appeared in the marine ornamentals industry in any significant numbers. This was also the time when these fishes were suffering from extreme mortality due to the problems I listed at the beginning of this thread.
I have seen this countless times with new species that enter the trade. Most attempt this fish once or twice, and then immediately write off a particular species. In most cases the problems associated with their demise are beyond our control, and start with poor collection practices, improper handling, very long chains of custody, or poor packaging protocols from overseas suppliers which all negatively impact the fishes’ survival rate.
On advantage of working with good, knowledgeable suppliers and exporters is having the ability to communicate effectively so that issues can be identified, addressed and corrected when needed.
From what I have seen recently is a turn in a very positive direction with this species from what I experienced when handling them in 2008. I will set aside a group of A. parvulus as you have suggested and document my findings which hopefully will be beneficial to everyone, because I feel these fish can do well in home aquaria, and would make a great candidate for an intensive captive breeding program.
Cheers,
Very cool Kevin! I started with a group of 10 in my tank. One by one a few would die and then I was left with 4. I put them in 3-4 weeks after I had my tank set up so it was VERY new. I've lost two now but only to my stupidity, they went for a ride in the overflow.
I still have a pair and they are reaching one year in my tank. I want to try a group of 10-15 again because I now feel like I know what they need...
1. Tons of flow. My pair are ALWAYS swimming in front my my Vortech ( before I only had two 6025's and I dont think this was enough for them).
2. Feeding 2-3 times a day. Like Kevin said, start with small stuff and after that they will eat EVERYTHING. The best results I have are when the lights go out, the pair will eat every last drop. If I turn the Vortech on feeding mode and the food stops moving they will ignore the food, so I leave it on Lagoon just for them.
3. Having docile tank mates. I dont have an aggressive tank ( Grade B Clown, Sailfin Blenny, couple gobies and a Flame Angel ).
4. Open rock work so they can swim. Mine never go through the rocks, always open water.
I'm no expert but once they get adjusted to your tank its an easy ride!
-Dave
I still have a pair and they are reaching one year in my tank. I want to try a group of 10-15 again because I now feel like I know what they need...
1. Tons of flow. My pair are ALWAYS swimming in front my my Vortech ( before I only had two 6025's and I dont think this was enough for them).
2. Feeding 2-3 times a day. Like Kevin said, start with small stuff and after that they will eat EVERYTHING. The best results I have are when the lights go out, the pair will eat every last drop. If I turn the Vortech on feeding mode and the food stops moving they will ignore the food, so I leave it on Lagoon just for them.
3. Having docile tank mates. I dont have an aggressive tank ( Grade B Clown, Sailfin Blenny, couple gobies and a Flame Angel ).
4. Open rock work so they can swim. Mine never go through the rocks, always open water.
I'm no expert but once they get adjusted to your tank its an easy ride!
-Dave
Kevin I know you got the hook ups for great fish, and it would be great to see this fish become available and do well as I think pictures don't do them justice and that is AWESOME you are willing to document your success with them, I wish you the best of luck with them.
Also Kevin... do you know if the Apogon parvulus in this aquarium (video by Jake Adams) are still alive? I don't know how long they have been in there or if they are still in there.
Also Kevin... do you know if the Apogon parvulus in this aquarium (video by Jake Adams) are still alive? I don't know how long they have been in there or if they are still in there.
