reef buffer

timrandlerv10

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so i followed the directions, and then proceeded to dump the 250ml into the overflow, where it looks like it promptly got skimmed :(

did i just put today's dose into the skimmer? can i redose? my plan was to not put more than what would raise the tank .1 ph in a day--we measured ph at 8.05 on friday, and i dosed saturday and today.

thanks!
 
Skimmer does not remove alkalinity. Do not dose it again.

I recommend measuring alkalinity along with pH. Reef Buffer will raise alkalinity while it maintains pH to 8.3. You can overshoot on your alkalinity.

If you maintain your alkalinity between 8 to 10, your pH should stabilize naturally around 8.2. If your alkalinity is in that range and you still have a low pH problem, you have some acid coming into your water.

Tomoko
 
how much can i safely attempt to move each day?

is .1 ph a day too much?

i've been reading an RHF article about co2 having a big impact of ph and alk...can you just run an air pump into the sump to try and replace some of the higher co2 air with lower co2 air?
 
Raising pH by .1 is insignificant IMHO.

I don't know if your office is so air tight that you have excess CO2 in the room. For 15G in my kitchen, it's a real problem because I cook with gas stove. I also have a pretty air tight house with kids and animals running around. If CO2 in the room is the problem, bubbling the CO2 rich room air into the sump is not going to solve the problem. You need to bring clean air from outside. The easiest way to test if CO2 is the problem is to aerate the tank water in a cup for a few minutes in fresh air (outside of your office.) Measure your pH before and after. If pH rises significantly after aerating the water for a few minutes (like going from 8.0 to 8.3), you got CO2 in your water. Otherwise CO2 is not your problem. Too much nitrate or phosphate can lower your pH, too.

Tomoko
 
how much can i raise ph daily? how fast is too fast? :)

i dont think our office is air tight at all...although we do talk...A LOT...

nates and pates were very low friday, and they looked like <5 and .1 today...we get two under control, and we lose control of two others...sigh...
 
here is one for ya, my ph is 8.11 and my alkalinity is 16 lol....cant figure it out i have had it as high as 22 with the same ph.
 
lol You need to read This It should help.. Using Buffer to controll PH is not a very good practice.. And really just isn't needed.. If you keep your ALK inline your Ph should stay inline also. Inless like Tomoko said if you have High levels of Co2 in the room or high levels of No3 or Po4 in your water. You need to try to fix the source of the problem and not just the problem.

Will
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10548101#post10548101 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by prncalbrt
here is one for ya, my ph is 8.11 and my alkalinity is 16 lol....cant figure it out i have had it as high as 22 with the same ph.

Is this with a PH probe or a Ph test kit? Test kits can give pretty bad PH readings sometimes..
 
Tim -

Your alkalinity is too low. That's the reason why your pH is low. You need to raise your alkalinity to 8. Like 8Ball said that a buffer product is not needed. You can raise your alkalinity with baking soda. If you don't have high enough alkalinity, your pH will fluctuates.

prncalbrt,

High alk usually means high pH but not always. 16 dkh is too high for your tank inhabitants. Your water seems to have other alkalinity component(s) besides carbonates that raises alkalinity reading without raising pH. Borate is one of them. Seachem adds borate to their salt mixes and buffer products.

Tomoko
 
I've seen a DKH of 23 and a Ph of 8.2 at CRA lol. It was water someone had brought in.. They had been Reef Buffer and Reef Builder..(ALK). They thought the Buffer was for PH and the Builder was for their Alkalinity..;)
 
pH and alkalinity are closely related but not the same thing at all.

pH tells you how acidic or alkaline your water is.
It is a measure of hydrogen ion (H+) concentration in a solution.

Alkalinity is a measure of how much acid (H+) is required to lower the pH to a specific level. Your alkalinity goes up as you add alkaline/base materials such as baking soda to your water.

If you keep alkalinity high enough around 10, pH does not drop very fast with CO2 that your livestock and microorganisms exhale at night or other acid that gets into your tank water.

pH goes up and down like a seesaw (especially if you don't have enough alkalinity.) Adding a buffer is like putting a big rock under a sea-saw. When one end of a sea-saw goes down and hits the rock underneath, the end of the seesaw cannot get any lower. When you add a buffer to an aquarium (usually a sodium bicarbonate for reef and marine tanks), pH stops going down fast. A commercial buffer has sodium bicarbonate plus something to keep the pH at 8.2 - 8.3 (or thereabout) for awhile. However, if you keep using a buffer without measuring alkalinity, the alkalinity of the tank may become much higher than desirable range of 8 - 11 dkh (2.85 to 4.0 meq/l) while pH may be stable around 8.2 to 8.3. You need to stop adding a buffer material before your alkalinity goes up too high to a dangerous level (reef tanks start to suffer when alkalinity goes much higher than 12 dkh or 4.3 meq/l).

Tomoko
 
ok well that one person might not have been me but i did use the dkh buffer thinking it was for ph. oops just one of many mistakes i have made along the road of this hobby. it ran my alk up to like 23 or 24 but its comng down and things are looking fairly normal now.
 
I added reef builder at the prescribed does today not buffer. It says 3g per 150g (ish) twice a week. Can that be added at a greater rate?
 
The dosage is 6g (1 level teaspoon of Reef Builder) per 300 liters (80 gallons) to increase alkalinity by 0.25 meq/l. You should not raise your alkalinity more than 1.0 meq/l at one time. Your total water volume must be less than 44 gallon but let's say you have 40 gallon. You need 1/2 tsp of Reef Builder to raise alkalinity by 0.25 meq/l. You can add 2 tsp to raise alk by 1.0 meq/l, but no more.

Before you add anything more, please measure your alkalinity. Do not follow the instruction on the bottle blindly since it's written in a very general terms. Reef Builder will raise your alkalinity without raising your pH very much. In other word, Reef Builder is very much like Reef Buffer. I really don't know the difference between the two. When you raise your alk too high, you will precipitate calcium out of the water and at the same time shoots down your alk down to 6 dkh or below.

When you run out of Reef Builder and Reef Buffer, I recommend that you switch to Baking soda for alkalinity supplementation or start using kalkwasser (pickling lime.) They raise alkalinity just as well as commercial alk supplements, but they are a lot cheaper.

I cannot stress enough about measuring alkalinity regularly and keeping it in 8 to 11 dkh range.

Tomoko
 
i will!

dkh is up to 7.5...the bottle says twice a week, but if we go in .25-.50 increments, can we go daily or every 2 days?

ph is 8.1, but i cant measure any less than .1...it was 8.05 at john's on friday.
 
You don't need to measure down to .01 level. If you are using a pH probe, you need to have .o1 resolution for calibration accuracy sake, but not for measuring with a test kit.

If you dose one more time with 1 tsp of Reef Builder, you should reach 3.1 meq/l or thereabout (approx. 8.7 dkh.)

Tomoko
 
:(

i dosed again, and it moved halfway there...(or so)

my dkh test kit says you can double accuracy by testing 10 ml instead of 5, and it changed somwhere between 7.5 and 8.

i dont know if i have a 20ml tube...can i use a clean glass, and just measure 20mls out of the test tube into it?

my assumption is: each drop is 1 dkh at 5mls, .5 dkh at 10mls, it would be .25 at 20 mls?

or, more importantly, do i care?

i'm not going to add more until you tell me i can :)
 
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