Refugium Flow

Cheekymonkey

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I just set up a new 35g refugium under my 120G and next to my sump. I plan on running Chaeto, a DSB, and some LR rubble in it... Any suggestions for flow, I was thinking pumping into it with one of the cheap maxi jets... maybe the 600 or 800, not much gph....

If you could give me flow suggestions regarding gph through the sump, as well as pumps to provide that it would be appreciated.

CHeeky
 
Flow through a sump is usually equal to or slightly more then your skimmer compacity. A fuge is a little different. Good flow through a fuge will prevent troublesome algae. I would say 600-800gph in a 35 gal is fine. I personally run 2000 gph through my 75 gal. I am running a mixed reef, and cheato likes to have flow.
 
If you plan on using a DSB for nitrate control the flow through the refuge should be nice and slow. In a 35 gallon sump I would suggest about 200gph, a couple powerheads in the fuge may be needed in the beginning to avoid cyano bacteria in the dead parts. I used a powerhead in mine when I first set it up because I got a little cyano. As the caulerpa and chaeto grew the powerhead was removed because it was constantly being clogged with macro algae and the cyano disappeared. There is a big difference between the flow in the fuge and the flow through the fuge.
 
I am going to have about a 30" head, will the Maxijet 1200 (rated for 295gph be able to put out 200 at that head?
 
ah I got the flow set up rather than using a powerhead by doing a T off fone of the overflows so I can point part of it at the fuge, and part at the sump so I don't push the flow up too high.

Managed to soak my pump and throw off some sparks and trip the GFCI... this was with my hands in the sump.... I just installed it today though, wow, made me think that was my favorite purchase.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10902023#post10902023 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thor32766
you will need to watch out for algea when going with a slow flow.

That is the whole idea of a refugium, is to grow algea and export it.
 
yes you want to grow macro algae, but you dont want troublsome algae, like the red hair balls. You eliminate that by increasing the flow in the fuge. You can add a PH or just increase the flow through.
 
I'm not fussy. I'll happily trim and toss chaeto, GHA, red or purple algae, cyano, whatever. Any and all of them are exporting excess nutrients from the water column... though I suppose valonia or bryopsis would cause me concern.
 
Just make sure there is enough flow thru the fuge to cause the cheato to turnover which allows all the colony to receive the same lighting. I do this by having a small powerhead in the sump aimed at the colony. You want a relitivaly slow flow thru the fuge to allow the cheato to absorb as much of the nutrients as possible.
 
Increasing flow through in the fuge is a better way to go. I run 2000gph through a 75 gal fuge, and my macro grows like a weed. Popular belief is that you need a slow flow through a fuge, but i disagree, maybe through a sump to maximize your skimming (flow equal to your skimmer output), but not in a fuge. You want the macro algae to grow and absorb the nutrients, but you dont want everything under the sun to start growing. A PH works if you can prevent it from eventually sucking in the macro. But its just another pump pulling power, and maintenance of cleaning.
 
I agree that higher flows are not a problem and can actually be desirable. But I don't see a problem with "everything under the sun" growing. If it grow, it uses nutrients that will not be used in the tank.
 
Here's an example of a simple 29-gallon chaetomorpha refugium with a flow of about 960gph @ 4' head (Iwaki MD30-RLXT):
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The upward water current comes under the first baffle to suspend the chaetomorpha under the light. The current holds a mesh tank divider against the second baffle. This mesh screen keeps the algae from the return compartment. The return compartment is large to accomodate evaporation and water changes. My 100-gallon system (75g main tank+29g refugium) loses about a gallon a day to evaporation in dry Colorado.

Chaetomorpha is almost neutrally buoyant so a much lower flow is sufficient to suspend it. The 960gph flow does not tumble the chaetomorpha but holds it rigidly at the surface. When I replaced the chaetomorpha with negatively buoyant gracilaria parvispora, the tumbling action is plainly seen. The G. parvispora sinks to the bottom on the left side of the compartment and is raised by the flow on the right side.

The advantages of chaetomorpha are that it serves as a mechanical filter to trap debris and it clumps together so you can remove it easily before cleaning the refugium. G. parvispora does not clump together, takes longer to remove, does not trap debris and requires stronger flow to suspend and tumble.

Since I have a carbon reactor, I cannot tell if chaetomorpha or G. parvispora exudes more yellowing compounds. I suspect that G. parvispora does due to the color it added to my quarantine tank. However, it may have exuded the color compounds as it was dying back in the sterile quarantine tank environment.

My DSB is in the main tank. Many aquarists employ a DSB in the refugium believing that they can avoid lighting. My experience is that a light is important for maintenance and cleaning so refugium lighting is necessary whether you have algae or not.

My advice regarding flow is to use a slow quiet return pump and supplement the main tank flow with powerheads. I can't wait to replace my noisy Iwaki MD30 with a quieter MD20. I need to purchase powerheads before doing so.
 
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