removing load bearing wall?

[my hobbies]

1st of all ncox38 just because someone is in law enforcement doesn't mean they have never done anything else in life.

2nd i have done this my self. without the eathquake problem.

if you read all the post you would know that he has a ranch and the only thing above it is the roof which there are other ways to transfer that weight to the side walls which does most of the support anyway.

3rd architects are the biggest problem with construction today.
they have good ideas but don't know how to make it work beyond drawing it on paper. every job i ever worked on was delayed by them because they use a theory and it cannot be accomplished with genral construction and you have to wait on them to redraw it properly and pass the building inspectors so you can do it the general contractors way to begin with.

most gc's wont even touch a project today if mention the use of an architect.

i mearly told him it wasn't that hard after he did his homework on
weight distribution which is true.

if that hurts because it puts architects out of business so sorry but it true.

 

[rams]

I hate to point this out and not really wanting to choose sides, took the time to read the thread. even though I wasn't to interested in the topic but just had to say;

BUT aren't a lot of catastrophic mistake due to contractors not willing to take the time to listen and follow what the architects or engineers have to say, cut deadlines, cut corners, just to save the money to come in on target to be able to make money. because they had the lowest bid. Well we did it and your stuck with it. Here is your 1 year warranty "Good Luck" ***You get what you pay for*** cheap, free, favor, something like this get different ideas because not everyone can imagine each and every scenario -> good point let them know your moving the wall to add a big freakin tank

everyone has their place in society, some just do it better than others, all opinions count

 

[my hobbies]

i agree with you and i am sorry to ncox38 and john.
i just tryed to give john some insight since i have done this and he did supply info. i didn't say to slap it together and use cheap 2x4s however i was rather insulted by the blind comment that if i am in leo i don't know anything but leo if thats the case we all need to contact biologist on our fish tanks and very few of us can give an opion. again john i am sorry i just thought i was giving the info you asked for to make up your mind on how you wanted to confront this project. i was not telling you how it had to be done just how it could be done.


ram you are right the majority of my last post came from my attitude toward people and there current professions not career history.

 

[rams]

:lol: we all should have our resume on file with personal experiences, making us more qualified to comment. The apology is cool as far as I'm concerned, not a lot of people are willing to do that now a days. It is good to see people passionate about their career and or experiences. Because there is no face to face time it is hard to get across the mood of a person when they comment. To easy to go into defense mode.

John looks like you got some good pointers and if I was you. I would even run by the professional ideas past this group. Just incase they didn't think of everything. Thats why there is a warranty nobdy gets it right 100% of the time.

 

[levon15]

most gc's wont even touch a project today if mention the use of an architect.



GC's have to use an architect. If they're worth anything as a GC they do projects with an architect. Its an industry joke that architects dont know what they are doing. The truth is once every trade gets done spending 18 months working on a project they have plenty of time to find the holes and parts left out by the architect.

The architect who took a couple of months to draw the prints.

Its like when we make build threads. We ask everyones opinion for help much like this thread. Architects are often to proud to accept a mistake or take it the wrong way.

This above was all just my humble opinion.

 

[ncox38]

Wow, really? Most GC's wont touch a job if architects are involved? Sure, if he's a fly by night-run off with your money contractor. Unless you live in BFE you would need an architect's stamp to get a building permit.

Nothing matters more to a lot of GC's than cutting corners and cashing in on a change order. They dont have the owner or the end product in mind, just getting done and getting on to the next one. I worked for a home builder and then a GC, so I DO know how they operate. Stamping shop drawings "approved" without looking at them. Installing products that require them to be an approved install er themselves and not doing it right then the owner has an issue and they dont have the warranty because it wasnt installed by an approved installer, which they paid for in the first place and now they have to pay again. Wow, that was a run on sentence.

Yep, im the problem with construction today...sorry if the government that puts forth the laws that you are supposed to enforce sees it necessary to have us involved in the process, "but its true". And as far as how business is going, we are booming.

No offense to DST, i dont know him, and I dont know if he is qualified to do the calculations required to knock down a 10' section of a wall, which is what he wanted to do. I'm sure as hell not willing to try to calculate that on my own house, and i had two years of classes on how to do it. Its best left to a professional engineer. Would you be willing to accept responsibility if he tried to do it himself on your advice that its so easy that it only took 5 hours and someone got hurt? No? So don't make light of potentially serious situation.

Im not on here saying your job could be done by any untrained person am I? No, because it isn't and neither is mine.

Im done with it, I offered my professional opinion. John, if you need an engineer PM me, I know a few that might be willing to help.

 

[Arsenal11]

John, If your not in a big hurry, can give you a bid, but we are swamped this week. lmk

Thanks
Kurt

 

[levon15]

You took my post the wrong way. Sorry for the derail John.

 

[ncox38]

I re-read my post and it came across wrong. Im not calling contractors or construction workers untrained goons, I just meant they arent familiar with all the things that go into designing a building. just like architects are not fimilar with all the ways they build stuff. I run stuff by my favorite GC all the time to see what he thinks, it works both ways.

 

[Nanook]

Everyone is using my word lately!!

Goons

 

[Arsenal11]

Ncox is correct we the goons did not design this. But we did build it

Before

After
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[ncox38]

Like I tried to say, i wasnt calling you goons. It came across wrong. there, I changed it and I apologize to any construction workers or contractors that it might have offended.

 

[JxMetal]

anybody can build a castle.........duh.


we're talking about something a little more complex here. a load bearing wall.....

 

[rams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12436639#post12436639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Arsenal11
Ncox is correct we the goons did not design this. But we did build it

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After
http://lh3.ggpht.com/kurtobrock/R1w_bwpTU8I/AAAAAAAAA4U/vqsaTbjhKj4/DSCF5018_3.JPG?imgmax=720

and it survived the earthquake :eek2:

 

[Arsenal11]

Dennis,

Have 2 meet up next time im down that way. You can see it done & take a ride on the slowest elevator on earth.:rollface:

 

[rams]

is it one of those hand crank jobbers? or in keeping with the latest technology solar powered?

 

[Arsenal11]

No hand crank:lol: Just real slow, but hey it has a phone in it in case you get stuck:eek1:

 

[mpcart]

This is kind of a crazy thread. If I was trying to remove a load bearing wall in my house, I'd have a professional come in and tell me how to do it properly. Why bother with the risk for so little money? I don't know whether or not it would be an architect, GC, or structural engineer, but I'd surely have someone with experience take a look at it.

I don't need a plumber to tell me how to plumb my tank - but I also had to do it a couple of times before I got it right - trial and error. I don't think you have that luxury when messing with your house.

I've posted all kinds of crazy questions on this site and always gotten good advice, but some things are better left to the pros.

I don't know anything about building houses, but if any of you guys need to build a large factory, I'm your man - feel free to PM me.

-Mike