Return pump on Solar

How long would you think it would take for that kind of investment to pay itself back? How often would you have to replace the backup battery?
 
I'm still investigating that.

Right now my monthly bill is around $500 and I figure it isn't going down anytime soon. If I can knock that down by $100/month using solar energy it shouldn't take too long for this to be a worthwhile investment. I'm also looking at solar powered attic fans, a new AC unit, fridge, washer/dryer, etc.

My return pump and associated stuff is burning through 190 KWh per month with my total usage being around 1600 to 1900 KWh. That's 10% at I can knock off at the $0.26/KWh rate.

--Rick
 
Ok, I finished using the Kill-A-Watt meter on my tank. The breakdown is as follows:

Device
Main Pump/calc reactor pump/AC/etc 189.8035511
tunze 6200s/skimmer pump 95.21825585
left/middle lights 155.480226
right lights 77.74011299
Tank Total 518.242146 KWh every 30 days.

This is more than 1/4 of my peak usage. Yikes. Time for a smaller return pump I guess.

--Rick
 
200 watts... you are gonna need some big batteries to run thru the night.

A 650VA UPS will only power a 200 Watt load for a little over an hour, if that puts it into perspective.
 
What lead me to think this might work is that a 12V 255 Amp Hour battery will run at 1 amp for 255 hours (give or take). 120V is 10x the voltage so I should be able to get 1 amp at 120V for 25.5 hours. A 200 W draw is slightly less than two amps which means that I should get around 12.5 or so hours. If you put two of these in parallel you should have no problem getting through the night. The part that I'm concerned about is will I be able to run the pump and recharge the batterys enough to repeat the cycle indefinitely.

Does that make any sense?

--Rick
 
Why not run something non-critical off the battery so if it doesn't charge you'll be fine. The skimmer pump and other small incidentals could go on the solar...
 
You may want to include these guys in your research:
http://www.siliconsolar.com/index.php
Since they specialize in solar, they may be able to provide a lot of the information you need to do all the projects you want to do.

I am considering a solar backup system, myself, but I haven't really figured out how it would all work yet.
 
This was in one of our local papers today, The Press Enterprise SB County Edition.
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sanbernardino/stories/PE_News_Local_B_bsolar03.2b0a97a.html

For him, solar is a bright idea

ENERGY SOURCE: A home's photovoltaic panels show how solar power could be the wave of the future.


10:00 PM PDT on Wednesday, August 2, 2006

By CHRIS RICHARD
The Press-Enterprise


Like most new homeowners, San Bernardino City Councilman Neil Derry takes pleasure in showing off his house.

His neighborhood in the foothills of the San Bernardino Mountains was developed recently enough that bobcats still visit. There's the panoramic view, with City Hall a toylike shape in the hazy distance. Inside, there's the big-screen TV and the spare bedroom he plans to convert to an exercise room.

And, after this week, Derry can show off another point of pride: an electrical power meter that runs backwards.

Derry predicts that three solar panels being installed on his roof this week will make his 3,300-square-foot house nearly self-sufficient for electricity.

"I wouldn't have done this if I didn't know it makes financial sense," he said. "I can tell you, it does."

So far, the councilman is part of a small group of solar-power users in California, but experts predict that rising electricity prices, worry over global warming and government incentives will make the energy choice steadily more popular.

One reason solar conversions still are fairly rare is that set-up costs can be steep. Derry's initial set-up priced out at $52,000. After state and federal rebates and tax credits, the system will end up costing Derry about $32,500, slightly less than the national average for such photovoltaic systems.

Derry was able to fold that expense into his 30-year mortgage. But he expects it to pay for itself in the next 11 years.

Chris Smith, an account manager for the solar consulting firm BES America, said one reason is the shift to photovoltaic cells.

Until recently, most home solar power relied on thermal systems, which heat water for swimming pools or generate electricity with household turbines. Most thermal systems rely on expensive and short-lived batteries to store electricity for later use.

Photovoltaic systems skip all that, Smith said. They are built around a system of semiconductors made of a crystalline material, most commonly silicon, that carry a negative charge on one side and a positive charge on the other. Solar rays dislodge the negatively charged electrons and create a household electrical current.

Extra power flows back into the power grid and there's no need for household batteries. The grid borrows power from the home system during sunny summer days and pays it back when the home system requires it.

State regulators are trying to encourage the spread of such systems.

In January, the state Public Utilities Commission approved about $3 billion in customer rebates over the next decade for property owners' solar panels.

The goal is to get Californians to install equipment capable of producing 3,000 megawatts of solar electricity with panels on 1 million homes, businesses and public buildings over the next decade.

Derry, a regional public-affairs manager for Southern California Edison, acknowledges that he's probably more attuned to energy alternatives than the average consumer.

But Smith said interest is growing.

This summer's blistering heat -- sure to bring a corresponding jump in air-conditioning bills -- has brought a surge of calls from prospective solar customers.

According to a report by Clean Edge, an alternative-energy research firm, the venture capital investment in solar power hit $150 million in 2005, double the investment for 2004. In public stock markets, the three largest initial public offerings in 2005 were for solar-energy companies.

Still, there's a lot of room for growth in the California market.

Only about 100 megawatts, about 0.3 percent of California's electricity capacity, comes from rooftop solar panels, installed on about 15,000 homes and businesses, according to a report by Environment California, an environmentalist organization.

What I find interesting is the pay back estimate. I wonder if that estimate includes what often ends up being twice the cost after interest on a 30 year loan.

SteveU
 
Ricka, What pump are you using? How many gallons per hour. My main return pump is a Wave super efficent 1/15HP pump, rated at 3000 GPH at 3.4 feet of head and uses between 134 and 153 watts. About 100 KWH per month. Your usage seams very high!
 
I'm using a PanWorld 150PS. It is a pressure rated 1100GPH pump that chews up about 170W all by itself. The rest of the draw is a calcium reactor pump and other misc pumps/fans. I also have a sequence 4200 but it draws about the same amount of juice.

I'm starting to think that with the Tunze's I don't really need a return pump this big.

--Rick
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7872995#post7872995 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gtrestoration
This was in one of our local papers today, The Press Enterprise SB County Edition.
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sanbernardino/stories/PE_News_Local_B_bsolar03.2b0a97a.html
Derry predicts that three solar panels being installed on his roof this week will make his 3,300-square-foot house nearly self-sufficient for electricity.

"I wouldn't have done this if I didn't know it makes financial sense," he said. "I can tell you, it does."

So far, the councilman is part of a small group of solar-power users in California, but experts predict that rising electricity prices, worry over global warming and government incentives will make the energy choice steadily more popular.

One reason solar conversions still are fairly rare is that set-up costs can be steep. Derry's initial set-up priced out at $52,000. After state and federal rebates and tax credits, the system will end up costing Derry about $32,500, slightly less than the national average for such photovoltaic systems.

Derry was able to fold that expense into his 30-year mortgage. But he expects it to pay for itself in the next 11 years.

What I find interesting is the pay back estimate. I wonder if that estimate includes what often ends up being twice the cost after interest on a 30 year loan.

SteveU
Steve,

Thats' pretty much the same quote I got when we looked into solar energy about 3mos ago. They would install 3panels for my 2500sq ft home which is suppose to be sufficient enough that I wouldn't need to use any electricity from SCE(Thank God!). The cost was the same, about 30k after rebates and if you apply it to a 2nd, the payments would be similar to what I pay for electricity already w/o running A/C which means I shouldn't really see any more money out of my pockets than what I'm paying already and if I ran my A/C, it would be much cheaper cause A/C doubles my bill! Eventually the 2nd will be paid off and I won't have an electric bill as well, supposedly!:)
 
Rick Sounds like you need a more efficient pump at a minimum.

Anyone with a Kil-a-watt.
I am going to create an eletrical usage spread sheet with different components we use on our tanks. Please send me the details on the components you have checked with you Kill-a-watt. Brand names, model, capacity, amps, watts, KWH, hours a day run and any think else you think important. Please include you average electricity rate in KWH.
 
laverda,

My measurements are with a Kill-A-Watt meter. I haven't measured each component. I just measured each of the four main lines, then the return pump to see how much of the circuit it is connected to was the pump.

I like your idea. I have some things I can contribute. I can get you numbers for the panworld, Icecap 250W ballasts, euro-reef skimmer, etc.

--Rick
 
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