Rhizo not looking so hot.

Nemo Niblets

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So I bought a rhizo from my LFS. It arrived not very healthy and showed alot of skeleton when closed up. I've been feeding it good, but yesterday it started sliming up over the mouth area (as it was closed). It has slowly built the slime over the entire mouth area.

When it is fully closed up, I can look in there and there are almost NO intestines what so ever in there. I can see almost all the way to the bottom of it. Could it be building up it's meat, and becoming healthier?

It eats great, and I feed it every day.

Thanks!
Dylan
 
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The picture quality isn't that good, but if you look on the left part of the rhizo's mouth, there is a hole, while tissue/slime is covering the right part. I think it's a good thing?
 
When did you buy this one? I guess if it's eating it has a chance to recover, these guys are extremely resilient as long as they can eat. I'm sure Austin can give you a better idea of your chances and what to do once he sees those pics.
 
Is it entirely missing its lips? or are they just covered in slime?

I see the hole, I see the slime.

Does it extend at all?
 
When did you buy this one? I guess if it's eating it has a chance to recover, these guys are extremely resilient as long as they can eat. I'm sure Austin can give you a better idea of your chances and what to do once he sees those pics.

I've had it around 3 weeks. It's been doing great.
 
Is it entirely missing its lips? or are they just covered in slime?

I see the hole, I see the slime.

Does it extend at all?

It *has/had* it's lips about 2 days ago. There isn't much lip any more, just a hole covered in slime/tissue. Since yesterday, it started closing up. It normally extends, but the tentacles are only out about half an inch right now. Here is the rhizo about a week ago:
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It looks worse off now than it did before TBH. What have you been feeding it? How often? Maybe you were overfeeding and need to give it time to see if it can recover.
 
I was feeding it mysis and chopped up silversides. I fed it too much once and it spit some back up, but since then I cut down on feeding.

It does look much worse, but it generally was closed before I fed it. That pic was about an hour after feeding.

I think it's closing up to build it's tissues? Would that make sense?
 
Hey Dylan,

The pic you posted when you first got it looks pretty average for a newly acquired rhizo... there is slight tissue recession on the bottom where some skeleton is exposed but that's not abnormal to see due to shipping. When you first got it did you dip in anything? Something I've encountered twice now is a very small hitchiker crab that lives on the skeleton that will actually crawl into the mouth of the rhizo and "steal" food from it - at this point the rhizo has already been irritated enough to the point that it cannot defend itself (i.e., eat the crab)... an iodine based dip knocks these guys off. These dips can also fend off bacterial infections.

Not to be a downer, but the recent pic you posted does not look good. Although these are generally hardy corals, I've only come across one like this before and the outcome was not good - a vendor here on RC called me up to come pick up a rhizo and save it for them, however it was in worse shape than yours is in the pics, but it did show the mucus development, which IME can be two things with these guys: 1.) The flesh is actually deteriorating and "melting" away, or 2.) The rhizo is expelling rotting food, which comes out looking like it's been covered in mucus.

Although these guys can eat a TON of food, they sure don't eat as much (in nature) as we can potentially offer in captivity. As with any "large polyp NPS coral" they can be overfed... they'll accept the food offered but don't have the ability to digest all of it before it literally rots inside of them. Undigested seafood + water is not a good mix over time. I would chock this up to potentially a couple things right now, either fed too much (they won't always spit it back up), or a bacterial infection. It's hard to say which one it is if happening over a two day period it's gone from looking like the "good" pic to the "bad" pic. Did it deteriorate rapidly or over a weeks time since you've had it?

At this point I wouldn't recommend dipping it - that or moving it would cause much unecessary stress for the (likely) little benfit. If it still accepting food I would try a few small pieces of Mysis shrimp, nothing more.

I've learned they are much "happier" with smaller more frequent feedings. I'll feed 5 "ish" P.E. Mysis or one Hikari krill every two days or so.
 
Hey Dylan,

The pic you posted when you first got it looks pretty average for a newly acquired rhizo... there is slight tissue recession on the bottom where some skeleton is exposed but that's not abnormal to see due to shipping. When you first got it did you dip in anything? Something I've encountered twice now is a very small hitchiker crab that lives on the skeleton that will actually crawl into the mouth of the rhizo and "steal" food from it - at this point the rhizo has already been irritated enough to the point that it cannot defend itself (i.e., eat the crab)... an iodine based dip knocks these guys off. These dips can also fend off bacterial infections.

Not to be a downer, but the recent pic you posted does not look good. Although these are generally hardy corals, I've only come across one like this before and the outcome was not good - a vendor here on RC called me up to come pick up a rhizo and save it for them, however it was in worse shape than yours is in the pics, but it did show the mucus development, which IME can be two things with these guys: 1.) The flesh is actually deteriorating and "melting" away, or 2.) The rhizo is expelling rotting food, which comes out looking like it's been covered in mucus.

Although these guys can eat a TON of food, they sure don't eat as much (in nature) as we can potentially offer in captivity. As with any "large polyp NPS coral" they can be overfed... they'll accept the food offered but don't have the ability to digest all of it before it literally rots inside of them. Undigested seafood + water is not a good mix over time. I would chock this up to potentially a couple things right now, either fed too much (they won't always spit it back up), or a bacterial infection. It's hard to say which one it is if happening over a two day period it's gone from looking like the "good" pic to the "bad" pic. Did it deteriorate rapidly or over a weeks time since you've had it?

At this point I wouldn't recommend dipping it - that or moving it would cause much unecessary stress for the (likely) little benfit. If it still accepting food I would try a few small pieces of Mysis shrimp, nothing more.

I've learned they are much "happier" with smaller more frequent feedings. I'll feed 5 "ish" P.E. Mysis or one Hikari krill every two days or so.

I probably overfed it then. Around 10 mysis sometimes... it didn't seem like much since my dendros will eat 5 pieces. Here's an updated pic... A hermit was eating it's dead tissue. It looks like a goner

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It's bubbling up big time, like a bubble coral. It's gone.
 
I probably overfed it then. Around 10 mysis sometimes... it didn't seem like much since my dendros will eat 5 pieces. It happened within two days... when I overfed it, it would spit out the food. Can it not spit all of it out? My LFS fed their other rhizo more than me... Here's an updated pic... A hermit was eating it's dead tissue. It looks like a goner

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It's bubbling up big time, like a bubble coral. It's gone.
 
Sorry to hear that...
It looks like a brown jelly infection, I assume rhizos can get those like other lps?
I've never personally seen them get the "brown jelly" infection but I'm sure they're susceptible to similar infections.

Nemo, based on the rate and way that it declined I would guess it was an infection of sorts rather than your feeding. Don't give up though, if it stops dying off there might be hope...
 
It completely died, and part of the jelly got on an SPS frag.. it nuked the whole thing white. I didn't want to chance the rest of my coral so I took it out... It's gone.

No more nice corals for me.:sad2:
 
Sorry for your loss Nemo. You know I have lost a rhizo before too, along with several fish and corals... it's very discouraging but you learn what you can from it and try to do better next time.
 
Sorry for your loss Nemo. You know I have lost a rhizo before too, along with several fish and corals... it's very discouraging but you learn what you can from it and try to do better next time.

I could not agree more.

Do not let it discourage you, for all you know there might have been nothing you could do to save the little guy (RIP) because for the most part the Rhizo is quite hardy. Sometimes in this hobby you are just dealt a bad hand without knowing. Just take this experience as an asset.
 
dont get discouraged...i bought 1 head dendro before when it was $50 a head and it died on me..after a week i bought a 5 head colony cause i wanna feel good:D
then after a month a bunch of tiny tentacles grew in the dead 1 head dendro(i didnt took it out)..so now i have 15 heads out of that 1 head...u took out the rhizo maybe it will grew a baby or something...u should have dipped it to clean off any slime...but oh well,thats ok though rather than taking risk letting it infect others:)
 
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