rose anemone
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skinnyjoe1976
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pm marcye and see if she has one. me no nemo
DJChesnutRabbit
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You were told wrong. Clowns will most certainly host BTA's.
My true percs host a LTA.
cschweitzer
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skinnyjoe1976
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have you had one that has not looked like that before? i heard that when they look like that the are happy
chrisstie
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I haven't had one at all before but when I cruise around in the clown\anemone forum I see people comment on "yeah but they dont always stay that way" about them
im not brave enough to put one in my 55g with all of the coral that i have in there but in the 125g i have plans when i get it up and running
im not brave enough to put one in my 55g with all of the coral that i have in there but in the 125g i have plans when i get it up and running
cowboyswife
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Beautiful pics cschweitzer!
Heck, my clowns host my pink tip haitian anemone. If they will host that thing, Im sure they would host a bta.
Heck, my clowns host my pink tip haitian anemone. If they will host that thing, Im sure they would host a bta.
flasher1
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really?!?! Mine were diver caught off of the Great Barrier Reef (by a friend) and I was told that the Wild Caught True Percs would not host a bubble tip Anemone because that is not what they naturally host. I have had a tank bred true perc host a BTA before. These guys swam near it once checked it out and never went near it again.
cschweitzer
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Someone told you completely incorrectly; truthfully, the ones you will have problems hosting an anem are the TB clowns. WC clowns will almost always seek out hiding first thing in the tank. If that first thing happens to be the BTA, there is no question they should have no problem hosting it. It's sting is one of the less powerful, so this should not deter the clownfish, and they get poofy, which gives the clowns plenty of places to hide. The reason natural hosts in the wild do not host all types of clownfish is directly related to location...they do not overlap location in the wild.
No, bubbles are not only when the BTA is happy. Noone knows exactly why a BTA bubbles, but there are good hypothesis. Many say under lower lights it bubbles more to try to get as much surface area soaking in the light as possible. Many also tie it to flow and clarity of water. All of these are possible, but look at mine up top...two from the same clone(exact similar DNA) and one bubbles and one doesn't(not including the other one not shown in pictures above). Bubbles have more to do with size, feeding regiment, and tank conditions rather than stress or happiness. I will tell you though, some BTA's look the nicest when they are under the most stress...they will even bubble out more during stressful periods.
No, bubbles are not only when the BTA is happy. Noone knows exactly why a BTA bubbles, but there are good hypothesis. Many say under lower lights it bubbles more to try to get as much surface area soaking in the light as possible. Many also tie it to flow and clarity of water. All of these are possible, but look at mine up top...two from the same clone(exact similar DNA) and one bubbles and one doesn't(not including the other one not shown in pictures above). Bubbles have more to do with size, feeding regiment, and tank conditions rather than stress or happiness. I will tell you though, some BTA's look the nicest when they are under the most stress...they will even bubble out more during stressful periods.
cschweitzer
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I'm sorry for not clarifying...I didn't mean that TB clowns cannot host, they are just more likely to have issues getting into their anems. The ones above are all ORA clowns and they are hosting, but it took my picasso perc pair 9 months in my tank of hosting an overflow box. I got fed up and put in another perc that was hosting in another tank. Within 5 minutes, the picasso pair was in the anem with the one who was already hosting.
Teog, you must agree though, the ones that usually have issues with going into an anemone are the ones that were not raised in one. This has been true on over a 90% ratio for what I've seen(I may see one or two WC clowns that will not host whereas if you go to the anem and clownfish page, there are probably five posts on that first page at any given time that will be about a clown not going into an anem...almost every single one is a TB clown)
Teog, you must agree though, the ones that usually have issues with going into an anemone are the ones that were not raised in one. This has been true on over a 90% ratio for what I've seen(I may see one or two WC clowns that will not host whereas if you go to the anem and clownfish page, there are probably five posts on that first page at any given time that will be about a clown not going into an anem...almost every single one is a TB clown)
teog
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cschweitzer- I dont necessarily agree with your statement. I dont claim to be a clownfish expert by no means. But I believe the symbiosis between the clown and the anenome is instinctual. So wether the clown is TB or WC, most will naturally go to the anenome. Again this is from my personal experience.
I have owned a few other pairs of TB and WC clowns over the years and they all have hosted at some point in an anenome or something else in the tank. Zoas, xenia, GSP.
As far as why others have issues and TB clowns dont host for them Im not sure. It could be due to stress's in the tank, IE water quality or stress in the clownfish or anenome. IE disease. Or some clowns just wont host and due opposite of mother nature.lol
Its sad to say "Only 5 percent of hobbyists with 2-5 years of experience had been able to keep anemones alive for more than two years, and only 1 out of 32 anemones lived for more than 5 years." qouted from GARF.
So based on this Im sure many folks dont have the "healthy" anenome long enough to find out wether their clownfish would have hosted in it. I see many post that say, "Hey I just bought a RBTA." Then less than two months later, "Why is my RBTA dying?" So does this impact the clown from hosting? Well Im not sure, again Im not an expert, but maybe.
Anyway I wish you luck gwrench when you decide to purchase your anenome hopefully with good husbandry you clowns will host for you.
I have owned a few other pairs of TB and WC clowns over the years and they all have hosted at some point in an anenome or something else in the tank. Zoas, xenia, GSP.
As far as why others have issues and TB clowns dont host for them Im not sure. It could be due to stress's in the tank, IE water quality or stress in the clownfish or anenome. IE disease. Or some clowns just wont host and due opposite of mother nature.lol
Its sad to say "Only 5 percent of hobbyists with 2-5 years of experience had been able to keep anemones alive for more than two years, and only 1 out of 32 anemones lived for more than 5 years." qouted from GARF.
So based on this Im sure many folks dont have the "healthy" anenome long enough to find out wether their clownfish would have hosted in it. I see many post that say, "Hey I just bought a RBTA." Then less than two months later, "Why is my RBTA dying?" So does this impact the clown from hosting? Well Im not sure, again Im not an expert, but maybe.
Anyway I wish you luck gwrench when you decide to purchase your anenome hopefully with good husbandry you clowns will host for you.
cschweitzer
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You don't have to agree...just go to the anem and clownfish forum or go over to rareclownfish.com(where I am a moderater) and ask the question in a new thread. The people on RC to listen to are RedVipe, GSM, myself, and a few other really intelligent people. Over on RCF, listen to CFK(clownfishking), EZHoops, Schlecht, and many other really intelligent breeders.
I strongly disagree with the instinctual part, in a way...I think in the wild it is instinctual, due directly to the fact that if they do not have their anemone, they will die. In a tank, where there is little or no threat of attack, there is not the same necessity as in the wild. Just like a wild dog would rather eat a human than serve him, whereas a domesticated dog is considered man's best friend. Just as tank bred fish are many times more accepting of food.
I think instincts play a part, but I think moreover that environment is the major deciding factor. You see the first picture I posted? Those clowns had that anemone since day one and did not host for 9 months. 9 MONTHS!! I put another WC clown who was already hosting in with them and in 5 minutes they were with him...5 MINUTES!!! Every clown has the ability to host, not everyone will. Look at chrissties clown sitting in a veggie clip? Look at the hundreds of pictures of my clowns hosting a mag3 pump or hosting an overflow box for their "safety net". They just don't know any better...they didn't require an anem, they were never given an anem, they had never known what an anem was. Why would it be expected of the clown to go right into it? They feel more comfortable against a hard black surface becaus that is what they are used to and have seen as their only defense until that point.
I'm not trying to say you're wrong about your ideas, so I'll put it this way. If your clown is hosting an anemone, it can be either a TB or WC clown. If your clown is not hosting an anem or any other like coral, it is 99% chance of being TB(notice I moved the percentage higher, because I am talking only of clowns not hosting). This is obviously an estimate that I have made without significant research, so it could be as low as 80%, but I highly doubt that. Just start going through the threads on either of the above mentioned forums and tell me how many WC clowns are not hosting.
I also doubt the stress idea as a reason for not hosting. I've had a clown that was three times the size of a bleached out 1" BTA that was still hosting. I've had clowns will disease that would still host in anems, even on their last legs. I've had clowns that have hosted literally almost everywhere in my five tanks and have three pairs at the moment(all in separate tanks...would have four, but my allardis didn't make it through QT). I live on the anem and clownfish pages. Not an expert, and I never will be. The best breeders will not even call themselves experts. There really is no expert when it comes to attempting to control life...that's just how it is. I do, however, post and read and learn every day. I read Wilkerson's book, Hoff's book, I've been to ORA twice, I talk to breeder's of every type of clownfish(20/28 recorded species and a few unrecorded hybrids), and at some point hope to make it my life(want to be breeding full time and out of work in 5 years). I'm just trying to pass information on that I feel is correct and that I feel will help these people if they have a problem and wonder why it is.
Guys, you don't have to listen to me. In fact, I hope that you don't. I personally think that the best way to get info is go to a reliable source...luckily we have plenty of them(including the above listed forums) when it comes to clownfish.
I strongly disagree with the instinctual part, in a way...I think in the wild it is instinctual, due directly to the fact that if they do not have their anemone, they will die. In a tank, where there is little or no threat of attack, there is not the same necessity as in the wild. Just like a wild dog would rather eat a human than serve him, whereas a domesticated dog is considered man's best friend. Just as tank bred fish are many times more accepting of food.
I think instincts play a part, but I think moreover that environment is the major deciding factor. You see the first picture I posted? Those clowns had that anemone since day one and did not host for 9 months. 9 MONTHS!! I put another WC clown who was already hosting in with them and in 5 minutes they were with him...5 MINUTES!!! Every clown has the ability to host, not everyone will. Look at chrissties clown sitting in a veggie clip? Look at the hundreds of pictures of my clowns hosting a mag3 pump or hosting an overflow box for their "safety net". They just don't know any better...they didn't require an anem, they were never given an anem, they had never known what an anem was. Why would it be expected of the clown to go right into it? They feel more comfortable against a hard black surface becaus that is what they are used to and have seen as their only defense until that point.
I'm not trying to say you're wrong about your ideas, so I'll put it this way. If your clown is hosting an anemone, it can be either a TB or WC clown. If your clown is not hosting an anem or any other like coral, it is 99% chance of being TB(notice I moved the percentage higher, because I am talking only of clowns not hosting). This is obviously an estimate that I have made without significant research, so it could be as low as 80%, but I highly doubt that. Just start going through the threads on either of the above mentioned forums and tell me how many WC clowns are not hosting.
I also doubt the stress idea as a reason for not hosting. I've had a clown that was three times the size of a bleached out 1" BTA that was still hosting. I've had clowns will disease that would still host in anems, even on their last legs. I've had clowns that have hosted literally almost everywhere in my five tanks and have three pairs at the moment(all in separate tanks...would have four, but my allardis didn't make it through QT). I live on the anem and clownfish pages. Not an expert, and I never will be. The best breeders will not even call themselves experts. There really is no expert when it comes to attempting to control life...that's just how it is. I do, however, post and read and learn every day. I read Wilkerson's book, Hoff's book, I've been to ORA twice, I talk to breeder's of every type of clownfish(20/28 recorded species and a few unrecorded hybrids), and at some point hope to make it my life(want to be breeding full time and out of work in 5 years). I'm just trying to pass information on that I feel is correct and that I feel will help these people if they have a problem and wonder why it is.
Guys, you don't have to listen to me. In fact, I hope that you don't. I personally think that the best way to get info is go to a reliable source...luckily we have plenty of them(including the above listed forums) when it comes to clownfish.
cschweitzer
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In fact, the only ones I don't know attempts on breeding are omans, seychelles, chrysogasters, Mcc's(although there have been rumors), theielli(hybrid of skunk and chrysopterus), and two others
Me No Nemo
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The maroon clowns I recently received, that are 25 years old, haven't seen or been in an anemone for 23 years, yet within two hours in their new home tank they were happily snuggled into the one I provided and now rarely leave it. They feed it, clean it and care for it almost fanatically. Now, they were WC way back when, but have not seen or been around an anemone since. Yet, the speed in which they took to the anemone was incredible! I agree that it seems to be instinctual and in many cases, given time, tank raised and WC will make an anemone home.
cschweitzer
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Yeah, but were they TB or WC? I'm sure for their young existence, they were in an anem(or dead).
