Salifert phosphate test kit

Andrew D

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I just bought one of these, and the powder it comes with is more the size of salt crystals than sand. It makes it hard to judge how much is a level spoon and therefore hard to trust the test results. Anyone know if this is normal, or if I just got a bad batch? Also, if a bad batch, anyone know if I can compensate by adding more, or less, of the crystals for the test? Kit is new and I don't want to throw 20 bucks away, even if it is Canadian :)
 
Sounds normal. Usually the powder isnt really a "powder" but more salt like.

There usually is a date on the top of the box if you are concerned it is no longer good but I would guess what you have is just fine.

Those are good test kits. If you do feel like spending a bit more, the Hanna phosphate test kit works really well and is a bit more precise.
 
The coarse powder might be a coloring agent, and they typically don't need to be measured all that accurately. Is there more than one powder? I might be able to pull out a test kit, but I thought the active reagents were liquids?
 
When you read the instructions it says "reagent", not powder.
If you want to be really anal you can use a scraper to scrape of the top of the spoon after tamping.
Salifert make a good test kit in general. The PO4 is a good kit but the Hanna egg wins for low range readings.
 
I vote for Hanna also. No need to measure the regeant. It comes in individual packages for the regeant. No measuring and Im sure Hanna is more accurate
 
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In my opinion the Hanna tester is more accurate for a few simple reasons (remember, this is just my opinion). First, you are comparing a digital readout to the ability of your eyes to match colors that are typically quite close. Second, most test kits have a gap in their result numbers. It'll let you know if your po4, for example, is 0.01, 0.03, 0.08, 0.12. But what if your po4 is actually 0.05? You're expected to guess where it lies, once again, based on your eyes judging a color and estimating the number. You are not given an exact number. A good example of issues with these test kits would include the Red Sea line or any other type of titration test kit. When performing these tests you're forced to distinguish and ask yourself "Is the color changed to red now? It's not the original color...it looks red, maybe a small touch of pink? Do I take my reading now? Let me add a few drops and see. Ok, look similar, but far from the original test color. Is this my result?"
You can see the issue. There is a lot of guesswork involved with non-digital test kits. That alone will more than make up for the small margin of error allowed with the digital kits. And Last of all, once again just my opinion, I will trust a near lab grade digital instrument over a liquid/powder mix with water test kit anyday. I think the major key to its accuracy is hard to argue...it's easier to read, it's digital. That's enough margin of error for me.
 
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you dont have any data to prove it isnt, either.
But I didn't make any claims about accuracy. :)

We don't really have much data on how accurate any of our test kits are, except a tiny bit for the Hach, so I wouldn't make any assumptions about accuracy. It's easier to get a number from the Hanna, but it might be very far off, for all we know.
 
I asked this question earlier and did some searching. Posts from the big reef chem gurus like boomer, bertoni, Holmes/Farley, on this topic are out there.

Seems that the general consensus amongst the experts is that high end phosphate kits like hach, Merck, d&d are accurate around the .03 levels. Randy refers to tests he did with the hach test kit specifically.

There seems to be anecdotal reports that salifert may not be as accurate below 0.07. While being ok for most systems, that level may be too high for the more demanding Sps ones.

In terms of the Hanna tester, I read post after post about it's stated accuracy and error. And i seem to recall that posts between tmz and bertoni stated that the error is .04. How that is more accurate than the hach kit, I don't know. The threads about the variability of results is concerning me too.

Maybe Randy's next article could be a comparison of the different testing options against some sort of lab grade reference???
 
It would be nice to see some actual data on the accuracy of the most commonly available kits. Real life testing as well, performed by average people, not lab techs.
While I tend to agree with the Hanna literature in regards to the accuracy of the PO4 egg, I have seen many tests performed where people struggle to get consistent results from the same sample.
Anyone who owns Hanna eggs will know just how hard some of them are to use consistently. Thankfully the PO4 egg is pretty good in this regard.

While I don't send samples off for professional testing I do have various test kits for each parameter. I often use more than one for each parameter and log my results. If they are out I will often retest and average the results.
I don't see the need to test that often so when I do I'm happy to devote some time and reagents.
My findings are that the Salifert and Hanna PO4 test kits are very consistent.
If you are chasing 0.00 then the digital readout makes life easier. For the rest of us any reading below 0.03 is preferable and both kits work well.

I'd still love to see someone get the same result from the same sample over more than one test with the Hanna Calcium egg. :thumbdown All good with a decent syringe though.
 
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I have a Salifert po4 test kit but not too long ago replaced it with a Hanna checker. Recently (to my delight) the checker has been giving me very low readings, like several zeros. Just to compare I tested with the Salifert. I got the same result. I like the Hanna because as mentioned, it's easier than trying to guess my number between shades of blue.
But heres the thing with the Salifert, for me the reagent never dissolves very well. After swirling it I always have to tip the vial to one side to get the un-dissolved reagent out of the way before I take the reading. Is this common?
 
Ive never had a problem being consistent with my Hanna checker. Its pretty easy to do the same every time

I've no issues with the Hanna PO4 egg and consistent results over multiple tests on the same sample. I stated that in the previous post. The calcium checker is another story all together.
Having watched plenty of other people using the PO4 checker at group meetings, I have noticed many people have difficulty adding the powder reagent, which in turn gives false readings. My misspent youth gave me an advantage in this area.
This common difficulty with adding all the reagent, problems with adding the correct amount of sample, discoloured glass, external contaminants on the cuvet, scratches/fingerprints on the cuvet, issues with time outs, particles in the sample and a whole other host of simple mistakes that can give false readings makes the Hanna PO4 egg less than perfect in its simplicity.
I love my Hanna PO4 egg but they are no easier to use than the Salifert kit. If anything I find the Salifert kit simple to use and great value. I've used both for some time now and will continue to do so.
The OP will do just fine with the Salifert kit until they want a new toy to play with.
 
But heres the thing with the Salifert, for me the reagent never dissolves very well. After swirling it I always have to tip the vial to one side to get the un-dissolved reagent out of the way before I take the reading. Is this common?

Just keep swirling it for a little longer. Almost every type of test kit I've ever used has issues with dry reagents not dissolving completely.
They can also be a pain when the crystals get stuck to the side of the vial.
 
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Just keep swirling it for a little longer. Almost every type of test kit I've ever used has issues with dry reagents not dissolving completely.
They can also be a pain when the crystals get stuck to the side of the vial.

i am also having this issue but hanna does not seems to be able to get the idea. take a look at the inaccuracy issue that the rest of us are having.
 
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