Seriously considering a downsize.

AcroSteve, while your tank is absolutely beautiful, if you're unsettled about any aspect, change is not a bad thing...especially for someone like you who is clearly successful. IMO, this is a hobby and if it's not giving you what you want in return for your investment (time, $, opportunity cost)...go for it. Planning is obviously key but that's nothing you don't know already.
 
Acro Steve.
I can see a lot of folks dumping their large systems.Because the cost that's involved to maintaining them.I heard on the radio Friday about oil prices.Mentioned that in 4 years they arre talking at $7.00 a gallon for gas.And a barrel of oil at $225.00 a barrel of oil.I can see a lot of folks bailing out of this hobby over time.I have a 240 right now.I'm already thinking down size also.These large systems could be even hard to sell also.Also I can see Forster and Son's not giving free shipping on there salts over time.Everything is going to go threw the roof as for $$$$$.And how many of us can keep up is another story.We here about the guys in Cali with unreal electric bills.But everything we buy in this hobby.filters down to us in the long run $$$$.I'm all for down size,then getting out of the hobby altogether.
 
How about some discussion of hardware?

What about those silent skimmers? What is out there?

And what about the wavebox. I know the tank size is not optimal, but would a unerperforming wavebox still move more water than a similar stand-alone stream?

And what about ditching my "fuge"? My tank stays pretty algae free because of my tangs. I get red and green hair algae in my fuge and on my cheato. I am worried without it for nutrient export. Also worried about loosing the tangs which are great grazers.
 
Hi Steve,

I have a relatively simple 180. Instead of a closed loop, I use energy efficient and quiet Tunze streams. I use a small 40g breeder sump, and use a quiet low gph eheim for a return. Lower flow through the sump means less noise.

You asked about ditching the refugium. My past tanks had them, but I ditched it on the 180. I have no regrets. I keep a relatively modest bioload, and have two docile tangs keeping algae in check. The tank requires 15 minutes a week max, with the exception of making RO water every two weeks.

I'm now on the fence on where to invest my money. I'm partly bored, but also busy with my life and desire even less tank work. Right now, I'm considering switching from 1000-watts(3-250's + actinics) to a 468-watt T5 fixture, and also ditching my 90-watt skimmer for a 24-watt bubblemaster. The halides consume electricity, create ballast noise, and heat up the house. The existing sedra-based skimmer is noisy as well. Making these changes, would reduce my electrical cost and noise. BUT, at a price of $1200.....

$1200 is a lot IMO, and it isn't offset by much electrical savings. So my other option, is to downsize. I could sell a lot of my current equipment and move to a smaller tank for cheap. I'm thinking a 90 gallon, with a Tunze Reefpack 500. The Tunze is an internal skimmer,chemical filtration, and auto top-off; all built into a box the size of an overflow box. Throw a T5 fixture on there, and I'm using very little wattage, with absolutely zero plumbing. Without a sump, I can place a large tank(30gallons) in the stand to hold RO water out of sight. My dosing pump would get activated by the Tunze reefpack, and the large ro resevoir underneath would mean the system would be on autopilot for a looong time. Selling my current system would offset the initial investment, and therefore the electrical savings would be real. Noise would be minimal without overflows and a sump.

Decisions, decisions. :confused:
 
It seems that everyone either wants to upsize or downsize their systems. Sometimes I think it would be easier for us just to trade systems instead of buying.
So what to do and why? It seems that you are happy with the condition of your tank but unhappy about the costs. Correct?

Would/Could you:
1. Remove the books underneath and put in a small sump.
2. Run a single MH on a light rail. If needed add some T5's and fans. This would remove the need for a chiller.
3. Remove the CL and replace with PH or a different pump.
4. Sell the skimmer and replace it with something like an ATB cone?

If you sold off some of the equipment it would off set the cost of replacement parts. You could also frag corals and use that for replacement costs. I am sure you have thought of that already but just a suggestion.
As said already how much is it going to cost to change out new equipment vs. current demands.
 
Man, I just hate the idea of giving up my fish room. It is so nice for water changes and stuff.

I am kicking around the idea of new 180 with a wavebox, a stream or two and a very small return pump with a local sump. Power wise on the pumps would be about the same as the smaller tank, but I would be running 500 more watts of halides. It would eliminate about 500 watts of pumps running 24/7
 
Well, after a very nice turn out at our local reef club function, My enthusiasm was renewed and I purchased a wavebox.:eek1: Funny how it worked out, I caught the wavebox on sale and absolutely broke even, other than my gas and incidentals. Thank you Phishybusiness!!!

I purchased the wavebox because it definitely fits into my plan to reduce electrical consumption. However, it will not work with my current tank.


So, I have fitted my Iwaki DM-55 with some unions to drop in and replace my return pump. I am going to see what kind of flow I get at the tank. If it works out, that will be my return pump and the flow in the tank will be the wavebox and my 6100.


I am looking around at tank options and had heard of Perfecto's new marine series of tanks. I had high hopes, but 36" wide will not work for me. I need a 30" tank. Ironically, or rather perversely, I am leaning towards a tank that is actually larger than my 180. However, the goal of reduced complexity and operating costs will be maintained.















Anybody know a good deal on a 72x30x28 tank?

And about that lightmover... anybody seen one that would move several inches front to back, rather than several feet side to side? Even though it would work for the corals, I don't like the look of a singe bulb over a 6' tank.
 
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