Should not be Kept in Captivity?
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MrMikeB
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I think some of you all are looking too far into it to still see the forest amidst the trees. This 'list' is simply one person's opinion based on their experiences or beliefs and using the web to vet thier ideals. I do not see it as ultra-conservatism or some crazy plot at cornering a trade market. From what I see, its purely a blog by somebody who is very self interested and is basing their list on their own thoughts and experiences (limited as they may be). Case and point:
"Rare: Folks! If it is next to impossible to FIND a fish in the wild, collecting that species is a sure-fire way to drive it into extinction! To us, keeping these species is very irresponsible. We have two words for people that disagree with this . . . BITE ME!"
Obviously if you are looking for facts amongst the rhetoric, I think you will be hard pressed to differentiate the two with this author and that tone.
So consider the source, have a chuckle and then do your own homework based on real data.
"Rare: Folks! If it is next to impossible to FIND a fish in the wild, collecting that species is a sure-fire way to drive it into extinction! To us, keeping these species is very irresponsible. We have two words for people that disagree with this . . . BITE ME!"
Obviously if you are looking for facts amongst the rhetoric, I think you will be hard pressed to differentiate the two with this author and that tone.
So consider the source, have a chuckle and then do your own homework based on real data.
cortez marine
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shifting ethics
shifting ethics
Ban rare fish or fish that are just rare in the chain of distribution?
Some fishes like the hooded wrasse, ventralis anthias, clarion angels and falcifer buterflies are very common, even abundant in their own back yards....but rare in downtown Pittsburgh.
So, before rare becomes a reason to ban something, this huge distiction should be considered.
Some fish don't eat for you...and may die of old age in anothers tanks. The mandarin goby and the chelmon butterfly came from central Philippines for so long that they were all we had to go by...and gave the impression that they were very hard to feed.
Then, the supply of non starved ones came in and viola...they want to feed after all [ especially if you actually feed em the good stuff].
Dangerous fishes to be banned?
Well, that doubles the tang list, especially the blue tang and forget about foxfaces cuz they hurt like crazy when you catch a spine under the fingernails.
Shifting standards of captive viability in fishes demand shifting standards in the need to control others lives.
The fear thave that old standards get into print and may become a mythology and may become law in the hands of the wrong governing body out to make a liitle name for themselves.
Of course there are fish that shouldn't be in the trade but to standardize a fixed list thats more for the sake of feel-good convenience is not such a good way to go about it.
I for one think the most unsuitable species possible is one collected with coral killing poisons...and that has less of an audience then the coral feeder issue.
I suspect its because anyone can be for the "safe issue" of coral feeder restrictions...but most of the trade and hobby are not so keen on a cyanide fish ban as it would take down half the list from Indo and the PhilippInes.
THIS LIMITED, SELECTIVE, PENNY- WISE POUND FOOLISH APPROACH TO ENVIRONMENTALISM SUGGESTS A NEED FOR THERAPY MORE THEN A DESIRE TO SAVE CORAL REEFS.
Its kinda like the litter control effort on the banks of a filthy, polluted river. Afraid to take on the industrialists, we settle for little token efforts to make us feel good.
If you ignore the industrialist...I suggest he litter hardly matters.
I wish this trade and hobby would likewise not fritter away its concerns on the trite and the token issues before us and make a determined effort to change our buying habits to make it clean net-caught fish or nothing.
Selling out for so little and so easily to embrace cyanide fish as a basis of our trade makes a mockery of our pretense to care about the sea.
Steve
shifting ethics
Ban rare fish or fish that are just rare in the chain of distribution?
Some fishes like the hooded wrasse, ventralis anthias, clarion angels and falcifer buterflies are very common, even abundant in their own back yards....but rare in downtown Pittsburgh.
So, before rare becomes a reason to ban something, this huge distiction should be considered.
Some fish don't eat for you...and may die of old age in anothers tanks. The mandarin goby and the chelmon butterfly came from central Philippines for so long that they were all we had to go by...and gave the impression that they were very hard to feed.
Then, the supply of non starved ones came in and viola...they want to feed after all [ especially if you actually feed em the good stuff].
Dangerous fishes to be banned?
Well, that doubles the tang list, especially the blue tang and forget about foxfaces cuz they hurt like crazy when you catch a spine under the fingernails.
Shifting standards of captive viability in fishes demand shifting standards in the need to control others lives.
The fear thave that old standards get into print and may become a mythology and may become law in the hands of the wrong governing body out to make a liitle name for themselves.
Of course there are fish that shouldn't be in the trade but to standardize a fixed list thats more for the sake of feel-good convenience is not such a good way to go about it.
I for one think the most unsuitable species possible is one collected with coral killing poisons...and that has less of an audience then the coral feeder issue.
I suspect its because anyone can be for the "safe issue" of coral feeder restrictions...but most of the trade and hobby are not so keen on a cyanide fish ban as it would take down half the list from Indo and the PhilippInes.
THIS LIMITED, SELECTIVE, PENNY- WISE POUND FOOLISH APPROACH TO ENVIRONMENTALISM SUGGESTS A NEED FOR THERAPY MORE THEN A DESIRE TO SAVE CORAL REEFS.
Its kinda like the litter control effort on the banks of a filthy, polluted river. Afraid to take on the industrialists, we settle for little token efforts to make us feel good.
If you ignore the industrialist...I suggest he litter hardly matters.
I wish this trade and hobby would likewise not fritter away its concerns on the trite and the token issues before us and make a determined effort to change our buying habits to make it clean net-caught fish or nothing.
Selling out for so little and so easily to embrace cyanide fish as a basis of our trade makes a mockery of our pretense to care about the sea.
Steve
