Show fish(s) for a 48"x12"x12" 33g
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shinypenny
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On the mandarin, they're tough to get eating prepared food, and a 33g isn't big enough to provide for them even with a deep sand bed. I'd even be worried about the 75 not being big enough (I mean not having enough space in the sand bed to support the pods required).
As for the fish, it's a personal preference thing. Pick at least one form the goby/firefish group to give you activity in the rockwork or near the bottom of the tank. I'd add a wrasse and a pair of cardinals and call it a day.
As for the fish, it's a personal preference thing. Pick at least one form the goby/firefish group to give you activity in the rockwork or near the bottom of the tank. I'd add a wrasse and a pair of cardinals and call it a day.
palmer373
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i have wanted a mandarin for the 75 ever since i put up the 75 (sept of 09). ive been studying the refuge and and 75 and ive seen a lot of pods scurrying around. i dont want it the 75 cuase of the fish i already have in there, some are a little aggressive. if i put it in the 33, ill do it after a long wait (6+ months). i hear your concerns about the mandarin, i have a 6-7in DSB in the fuge and a 5-6inch DSB in the 75, lots of pods, and the LFS can get me frozen trained mandarins. im gonna give it a try but i hear your concerns. as for fish, really like the pipefish and the LFS has 1 and ive been watching it and it seems very cool. here is my proposed stocking list, and again this is just a rough draft:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
Bluestripe Pipefish Pair (Doryrhamphus excisus)
Pink-Streaked Wrasse (Pseudocheilinops ataenia)
Yellow Stripe Clingfish (Diademichthys lineatus) maybe a harem?
all of these fish are "peaceful" according the LA. i really like the pipefish and clingfish so i was trying to pick the rest of the fish around those two. the iffy one is the wrasse but he is supposed to be peaceful so im not sure. i picked him for some lively activity, will some other fish on my list be lively and have some activity? oh and i really wanted a pair of firefish or something but i guess the saem type of firefish dont do well together so that is why i have the purple and the regular chosen.
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
Bluestripe Pipefish Pair (Doryrhamphus excisus)
Pink-Streaked Wrasse (Pseudocheilinops ataenia)
Yellow Stripe Clingfish (Diademichthys lineatus) maybe a harem?
all of these fish are "peaceful" according the LA. i really like the pipefish and clingfish so i was trying to pick the rest of the fish around those two. the iffy one is the wrasse but he is supposed to be peaceful so im not sure. i picked him for some lively activity, will some other fish on my list be lively and have some activity? oh and i really wanted a pair of firefish or something but i guess the saem type of firefish dont do well together so that is why i have the purple and the regular chosen.
velvetelvis
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As far as the mandarins are concerned, you're in luck--ORA is releasing captive-bred, pellet-and-frozen-eating mandarins sometime this summer. Ask your LFS if they can get them in for you; if not, LA has said that they'll definitely have them on DD when they become available. They'll be pricier than wild-caught mandarins, but IMO they'll be worth it! 
If the above stocklist is for your 75 (it would be a lot of fish for a 33), I can personally recommend yellow "coris" wrasses (also called canary wrasses). They're great fish, and very peaceful. I loved mine.
If the above stocklist is for your 75 (it would be a lot of fish for a 33), I can personally recommend yellow "coris" wrasses (also called canary wrasses). They're great fish, and very peaceful. I loved mine.
velvetelvis
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Thanks for the information.
So far she has been good, and very entertaining to watch. She shoos the cardinals out of her favorite cave (which also happens to be the favored spot for the cardinals, and the cleaner shrimp), but they don't look seriously alarmed, and they just cruise right back in as soon as she takes off to explore the rest of the tank. I was a little worried about my cleaner shrimp at first, but they actually seem to intimidate her! I was cracking up this afternoon because they kept cornering her near the overflow, where she was hunting pods, and trying to groom her, while she kept backing up and trying to dart past them. :lol: Apologies for getting OT... back to our regularly scheduled thread.
palmer373
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Thanks for the information.
Apologies for getting OT... back to our regularly scheduled thread.
its kool with me velvetelvis, that is some good info about the dottyback, maybe i should get one!
palmer373
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ok so does anyone not like this stocking list?:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
Bluestripe Pipefish Pair (Doryrhamphus excisus)
Pink-Streaked Wrasse (Pseudocheilinops ataenia)
Yellow Stripe Clingfish (Diademichthys lineatus) maybe a harem?
i think the pipefish, clingfish, and madarins eat copepods so that wouldnt work right? any ideas?
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
Bluestripe Pipefish Pair (Doryrhamphus excisus)
Pink-Streaked Wrasse (Pseudocheilinops ataenia)
Yellow Stripe Clingfish (Diademichthys lineatus) maybe a harem?
i think the pipefish, clingfish, and madarins eat copepods so that wouldnt work right? any ideas?
velvetelvis
Active member
Hey, palmer373! I just want to commend you for taking so much time and care over your stocking list. I think you're going to be really glad that you've put so much thought and research into your livestock.
That said, your proposed list does sound like an awful lot of fish for a 33G...also, if you're going to keep a mandarin, (a) I'd get one of the ORA ones coming out this summer that are captive-raised and trained to eat frozen and pellets, and (b) I wouldn't keep any wrasses--too much competition for food.
The yellow coris wrasses will eat featherdusters, baby brittle stars, and tiny shrimp. They also get big for a 33 (about 4"-5" long) and they need lots of room proportionate to their size, because they are extremely active.
Pipefish are delicate and difficult to keep, especially with any competition for food. I don't know much about clingfish, but they sound like interesting little fish. Maybe check some books? Scott Michael's series on SW fishes is outstanding.
I haven't kept firefish, but they are beautiful and should do well in your setup (as long as you keep the tank covered). DD (I mention them a lot, don't I?
) has pairs of both the orange and the purple for sale regularly.
I don't know if your tank is open-top or not, but one thing to consider is that firefish and wrasses are notorious jumpers. Many fish will jump--I think my dottyback did, because I haven't seen her in a while (even after taking the tank apart to look for her).
Finally, if you want to keep the A. parvulus, you might want to make it a species tank, which IMO could be stunning. DD has groups of 5 available regularly; I think this tank size would be perfect for a little group of them. I haven't kept A. parvulus, but if they're like threadfins, which I do currently have (one of my favorite SW fish), they are very shy little creatures and on the delicate side until they're established. I also have to say that since the dottyback went AWOL, my threadfins seem more willing to come out into the open--she'd begun harassing them a bit. They definitely do best with very peaceful tankmates.
That said, your proposed list does sound like an awful lot of fish for a 33G...also, if you're going to keep a mandarin, (a) I'd get one of the ORA ones coming out this summer that are captive-raised and trained to eat frozen and pellets, and (b) I wouldn't keep any wrasses--too much competition for food.
The yellow coris wrasses will eat featherdusters, baby brittle stars, and tiny shrimp. They also get big for a 33 (about 4"-5" long) and they need lots of room proportionate to their size, because they are extremely active.
Pipefish are delicate and difficult to keep, especially with any competition for food. I don't know much about clingfish, but they sound like interesting little fish. Maybe check some books? Scott Michael's series on SW fishes is outstanding.
I haven't kept firefish, but they are beautiful and should do well in your setup (as long as you keep the tank covered). DD (I mention them a lot, don't I?
) has pairs of both the orange and the purple for sale regularly. I don't know if your tank is open-top or not, but one thing to consider is that firefish and wrasses are notorious jumpers. Many fish will jump--I think my dottyback did, because I haven't seen her in a while (even after taking the tank apart to look for her).
Finally, if you want to keep the A. parvulus, you might want to make it a species tank, which IMO could be stunning. DD has groups of 5 available regularly; I think this tank size would be perfect for a little group of them. I haven't kept A. parvulus, but if they're like threadfins, which I do currently have (one of my favorite SW fish), they are very shy little creatures and on the delicate side until they're established. I also have to say that since the dottyback went AWOL, my threadfins seem more willing to come out into the open--she'd begun harassing them a bit. They definitely do best with very peaceful tankmates.
velvetelvis
Active member
Also, you wanted personal experiences with yellow coris wrasses: I kept a juvenile yellow coris in a 75 for a while, till I moved and had to downsize my tank. Based on my experience, I wouldn't keep these fish in anything less. I know that sounds extreme for a small fish, but these little guys are very, very, very active. He was all over that tank from dawn to dusk, hunting and eating the whole time. Great little fish as far as personality, very peaceful and active and not at all fearful, but he did eat up all my little featherdusters and baby brittle stars, which disappointed me because I really like inverts. He left my cleaner shrimp alone, but I'm sure he would have made a meal of tiny ones like sexy shrimp. He also cleaned out my pod population, which is why I wouldn't recommend keeping one with other pod-eaters.
If you have a larger tank (75 gallons and up) and don't mind losing some of your tiny hitchhiker inverts, I can recommend yellow coris without hesitation. But like I said, they're really best suited to larger tanks, just because of their need for swimming space.
If you have a larger tank (75 gallons and up) and don't mind losing some of your tiny hitchhiker inverts, I can recommend yellow coris without hesitation. But like I said, they're really best suited to larger tanks, just because of their need for swimming space.
palmer373
New member
Thanks velvetelvis, im just taking as much time as possible becuase i have lost a lot a fish already and i hate that. if i take my time and figure out this fish wont work with thtat one for this reason and i save a fish, that gives me a good feeling and that is 1 less fish taken out of the ocean. I knew that list was a lot thats why i was posting it so i have imput on what to take out. so ill cross off the pipefish for too many reasons to list (im lazy ), the wrasse cause it is too active, and i belive clingfish are very similar to pipefish so those are off. that leaves me with:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
i like the idea of a group (maybe harem) of A. Parvulus. i also really want a mandarin and if i have over 100 gallons of water with the sump (~15g) and 75g display loaded with pods, i think one, MAYBE two would be ok. i want to keep the firefish (maybe just 1 or maybe a true pair or 1 purple and 1 orange) cause they are docile. i dont care for the blenny so i could take that off. does anyone see anything wrong with a harem of A. Parvulus (~5), 1 firefish, 1 purple firefish, and 1 mandarin? I do have the tank 85% closed. i have an acrylic lid i made to keep fish in, let air serculate, and protect the light. i could add wire mesh to the open part for further protection but i like moving the lid forward and back to my descretion. also, thanks for mentioning wrasse jumping cause i had a sixline in my 75, i had the tank 90% covered (glass lid) and as of yesterday, it is AWOL also. i checked right behind the tank as soon as i read that and i didnt see anything. i have a lot of LR so im not going to dig through the tank. also i have 2 cats so it is possible they found a dried up wrasse and thought "ooh yummy!".
Im starting plumbing today so if i can get the plumbing done this week, i can get the tank running by next week. AGAIN, this is what im hoping will happen but it probably wont happen knowing me
thanks!
), the wrasse cause it is too active, and i belive clingfish are very similar to pipefish so those are off. that leaves me with:Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
i like the idea of a group (maybe harem) of A. Parvulus. i also really want a mandarin and if i have over 100 gallons of water with the sump (~15g) and 75g display loaded with pods, i think one, MAYBE two would be ok. i want to keep the firefish (maybe just 1 or maybe a true pair or 1 purple and 1 orange) cause they are docile. i dont care for the blenny so i could take that off. does anyone see anything wrong with a harem of A. Parvulus (~5), 1 firefish, 1 purple firefish, and 1 mandarin? I do have the tank 85% closed. i have an acrylic lid i made to keep fish in, let air serculate, and protect the light. i could add wire mesh to the open part for further protection but i like moving the lid forward and back to my descretion. also, thanks for mentioning wrasse jumping cause i had a sixline in my 75, i had the tank 90% covered (glass lid) and as of yesterday, it is AWOL also. i checked right behind the tank as soon as i read that and i didnt see anything. i have a lot of LR so im not going to dig through the tank. also i have 2 cats so it is possible they found a dried up wrasse and thought "ooh yummy!".
Im starting plumbing today so if i can get the plumbing done this week, i can get the tank running by next week. AGAIN, this is what im hoping will happen but it probably wont happen knowing me
thanks!
palmer373
New member
ok so no one has a problem with:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish Harem (~5?) (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
im not sure how many red spots i can find so if i like found 3 and then later found another 3 or 2 would they still work if i put them in the same tank? i think the list is perfect but there are always some doubters.
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Red Spot Cardinalfish Harem (~5?) (Apogon parvulus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
im not sure how many red spots i can find so if i like found 3 and then later found another 3 or 2 would they still work if i put them in the same tank? i think the list is perfect but there are always some doubters.
velvetelvis
Active member
They show up on DD pretty frequently, but they go quickly. The "secret" is to sign up for their email alerts, which they send out M-F at around 1:30 PM EST. That way you can spot anything you might be interested in, and then begin haunting the website by about 5:30 or 6. They do also email you to let you know that the listings have been posted, but the livestock often goes up on the site before the message goes out. Any popular or unusual fishes tend to get snapped up before the notification even makes it to your inbox.
palmer373
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i just found this guy on LA im starting to like. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?c=720&pCatId=1400
im having a lid so i should be ok there. how many max could i put in the tank? could i just cross off the cardinals so i would have:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Filamented Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus filamentosus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
what wouldnt work with the wrasse? it is supposed to be reef safe and peaceful.
im having a lid so i should be ok there. how many max could i put in the tank? could i just cross off the cardinals so i would have:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Filamented Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus filamentosus)
Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Firefish, Purple (Nemateleotris decora)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
what wouldnt work with the wrasse? it is supposed to be reef safe and peaceful.
velvetelvis
Active member
The firefish will probably quarrel. You might want to aim for a pair of one species.
Here's the link to sign up for DD email alerts:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/DiversDen/DDemailSignUp_form.cfm
Here's the link to sign up for DD email alerts:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/DiversDen/DDemailSignUp_form.cfm
palmer373
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thansk for the link i just subscribed. yah ill do that for the firefish then, does anyone see any problems with this list? im worried about the wrasse being too active cuase i dont know a lot about them:
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Filamented Flasher Wrasse Harem (Trio) (Paracheilinus filamentosus)
Firefish PAIR (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Filamented Flasher Wrasse Harem (Trio) (Paracheilinus filamentosus)
Firefish PAIR (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
palmer373
New member
it looks like im going to replace the mandarin with a flame hawk or flame hawk pair. i dont think im going to keep ornamental shrimp so im thinking a pair would be fine?
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Filamented Flasher Wrasse Trio (Paracheilinus filamentosus)
Firefish Pair (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Flame Hawkfish Pair (Neocirrhitus armatus)
I would have a total of 8 fish. does anyone see a problem with the stocking list? should i reduce the wrasse trio to a pair?
Tail Spot Blenny (Ecsenius stigmatura)
Filamented Flasher Wrasse Trio (Paracheilinus filamentosus)
Firefish Pair (Nemateleotris magnifica)
Flame Hawkfish Pair (Neocirrhitus armatus)
I would have a total of 8 fish. does anyone see a problem with the stocking list? should i reduce the wrasse trio to a pair?
