CleveYank
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Greg had indicated that he "updated" 2 wire plugs....fortunately ones not on his tank, to GFI's without proper wiring in of new 3rd ground wire.
reply to that unintentional topic change from reefwidows thread posted here.
Not exactly code old work or not Greg. They only grandfather wiring if it's old stuff. Any changes at all bump household wiring into new work or new construction rules. These are the same methods for ways and means for insurance companies to pay or not pay off your claim if your house catches on fire too if the electrical was ear marked as the problem. When the forensic investigator or claim investigator pulls one serial number or date code off of something you’re done. Including if you sell the house and something happens within right to claim period and someone gets hurt their lawyer and their insurance company would be looking at you.
National electrical code does not allow simply wiring in GFCI without a proper 3rd plain or green wire in solid 14, 12 or 10 gauge.
Yes technically a GFCI will trip on 2 wire. But it's not code and not according to "hoyle". (yes the sir fred hoyle from astronomy)
Cities
Point of sale inspection, or rental property annual inspections, especially if it's an old house and they suspect "new work". Which the prior POS or rental inspection will confirm BEFORE they even show up unless you have lived there forever. Can lead to a lot of problems. Some (most) cities even so far as will not allow clamp and lead style hook-up to your plumbing for the 3rd wire.
As of 1988, use of PVC water pipes in homes/mains, and thus the NEC requires two copper ground rods to be installed as the primary grounding electrodes.
You need TWO 6 to 8 foot long solid copper rods (depending upon city)...not rebar like some shoemakers, to be installed drilled and sunk into the ground either outside, or in foundation or in garage floor if attached. Then you clamp to that. And again, nice shiny new work will stand out and if they are crazy about permits and it's not done exactly to National Electrical code, you're done.
Oh and if you are wondering why the ground to line clamp on has been red flagged in some cities. 1st off feeds from the street to the mains or inside the house may have PVC in them and you lose metal to metal ground. Now you are relying on the water to supply conductivity to complete your ground.
And, It is believed that old plumbing solder loses molecules of lead and leeches them into your water as the water flows across the old solder joints over time thereby exposing you and your household to lead at a rate higher than normal due to a reverse electrolysis action. And if it applies, High flow rates by home owner bumping up the volume of water (larger pipe upgrades) moved from the meter for hot tub filling or sprinkler system add-ons without permits (usually not up to code) are another method that lead and copper on molecular level can become part of the "solution" of water flowing through your pipes. And again is believed to be accelerated due to 3rd wire clamping.
You have fire, a home inspection, sell and allow FHA, or sell and someone dies you're leaving yourself open to lots of poop.
reply to that unintentional topic change from reefwidows thread posted here.
Not exactly code old work or not Greg. They only grandfather wiring if it's old stuff. Any changes at all bump household wiring into new work or new construction rules. These are the same methods for ways and means for insurance companies to pay or not pay off your claim if your house catches on fire too if the electrical was ear marked as the problem. When the forensic investigator or claim investigator pulls one serial number or date code off of something you’re done. Including if you sell the house and something happens within right to claim period and someone gets hurt their lawyer and their insurance company would be looking at you.
National electrical code does not allow simply wiring in GFCI without a proper 3rd plain or green wire in solid 14, 12 or 10 gauge.
Yes technically a GFCI will trip on 2 wire. But it's not code and not according to "hoyle". (yes the sir fred hoyle from astronomy)
Cities
Point of sale inspection, or rental property annual inspections, especially if it's an old house and they suspect "new work". Which the prior POS or rental inspection will confirm BEFORE they even show up unless you have lived there forever. Can lead to a lot of problems. Some (most) cities even so far as will not allow clamp and lead style hook-up to your plumbing for the 3rd wire.
As of 1988, use of PVC water pipes in homes/mains, and thus the NEC requires two copper ground rods to be installed as the primary grounding electrodes.
You need TWO 6 to 8 foot long solid copper rods (depending upon city)...not rebar like some shoemakers, to be installed drilled and sunk into the ground either outside, or in foundation or in garage floor if attached. Then you clamp to that. And again, nice shiny new work will stand out and if they are crazy about permits and it's not done exactly to National Electrical code, you're done.
Oh and if you are wondering why the ground to line clamp on has been red flagged in some cities. 1st off feeds from the street to the mains or inside the house may have PVC in them and you lose metal to metal ground. Now you are relying on the water to supply conductivity to complete your ground.
And, It is believed that old plumbing solder loses molecules of lead and leeches them into your water as the water flows across the old solder joints over time thereby exposing you and your household to lead at a rate higher than normal due to a reverse electrolysis action. And if it applies, High flow rates by home owner bumping up the volume of water (larger pipe upgrades) moved from the meter for hot tub filling or sprinkler system add-ons without permits (usually not up to code) are another method that lead and copper on molecular level can become part of the "solution" of water flowing through your pipes. And again is believed to be accelerated due to 3rd wire clamping.
You have fire, a home inspection, sell and allow FHA, or sell and someone dies you're leaving yourself open to lots of poop.
