Small Adult Majestic Angelfish

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Almost EVERY successful and professional aquarist will never go without QT. Period.

As to your point, what do you mean by "new environment"? In my QT, the water from the display goes into the QT, so the parameters are IDENTICAL. And the "new environment" of no competition is FAR more stressfree that throwing it in with established fish. Let me explain, a fish is caught, bagged, and shipped/picked up. When it gets to the aquarists home, it must now adjust to the new water parameters, foods, feeding schedule, lighting, and tankmates. Why is adding all the changes at once less stressful that a few at a time?

Like I said, a properly set up QT is NO MORE STRESSFUL for ANY fish than the display. It is actually less.

Well we can agree to disagree. Moving a fish to what is typically a smaller tank, typically not well appointed, less live rock for them to pick at and getting them used to it. Then moving them again, now into an environment that they will face new surroundings with new tank mates is what I mean by more stressful. Mind you I am only talking about difficult species here like angels who are usually the bosses of their territory.

I would not bring him home unless he is eating already and appear healthy. Lastly your statement, is just not true. I would not recommend this to a novice but I know of very few " successful" aquarist who quarantine angels unless they are right out of the shipping bag from the distributor. It is just what has worked for me, then again I have a pretty good eye and am confident in my ability to spot a sick fish. I don't buy new fish and will ask a store to hold a fish until he is eating and happy.

This whole conversation won't help this person as both ich and odinium are diseases of stress. There is no guaranty that he won't get ich or stress even if quarantined properly. This fish looks to me to be a victim of odinium. A Q tank would have been helpful for treatment and the control of the disease, but would not have prevented him from coming down with it.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

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Well we can agree to disagree. Moving a fish to what is typically a smaller tank, typically not well appointed, less live rock for them to pick at and getting them used to it. Then moving them again, now into an environment that they will face new surroundings with new tank mates is what I mean by more stressful. Mind you I am only talking about difficult species here like angels who are usually the bosses of their territory.

I would not bring him home unless he is eating already and appear healthy. Lastly your statement, is just not true. I would not recommend this to a novice but I know of very few " successful" aquarist who quarantine angels unless they are right out of the shipping bag from the distributor. It is just what has worked for me, then again I have a pretty good eye and am confident in my ability to spot a sick fish. I don't buy new fish and will ask a store to hold a fish until he is eating and happy.

This whole conversation won't help this person as both ich and odinium are diseases of stress. There is no guaranty that he won't get ich or stress. This fish looks to me to be a victim of odinium. A Q tank would have been helpful for treatment and the control of the disease, but would not have prevented him from coming down with it.

Yes, we will have to agree to disagree. Completely. Why do you feel that even LiveAquaria Divers Den fish are recommended for quarantine, by their staff? "Sensitive" fish are subject to even more stress when just thrown in a display, with establish fish, and are left to their own devices to fend for themselves. With the aquarist crossing his fingers that nothing goes wrong.

Also, ich and velvet arent "diseases of stress". They are pathogenic parasites. They become rampant in times of stress, but if the parasite doesnt exist or is effectively killed by treatmnet, no matter how much stress arises, they cant catch it.

Consider this, every public aquarium, as well as the VAST MAJORITY of porfessional and serious aquarists employ QT. ESPECIALLY for sensitive fish. Your efforts to "decrease stress", IMO, are actually increasing it.

 

[SDguy]

If you don't want to QT your fish, that's your problem. But don't try to make an argument for it... there isn't one.

 

[niles1967]

The problem here is that many hobbyists do not have a proper QT even if they believe that they do. A proper QT tank needs to be fully cycled, stocked with some live rock, and be large enough to house the fish for six weeks. Mine is a 55g with an overflow and works very well.

A used tank can be found for $100. It is a very worthwhile investment.

Ammonia and poor water quality are QT killers. If this was really easy, more people would keep marine fish.