Step-by-step account of my first reef (with lots of pics)

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Great looking tank! I am in the process of setting up my first reef (37 gal.) and this thread has helped me learn a lot of stuff.

To be quite honest, I see your tank and get so excited about my future tank, and then I start reading (about FW and bryopsis) and wish I never learned about this hobby. Could You maybe post a picture of the bryopsis and one of flatworms so that I know what they look like if I ever get them? How did you get these pests?

Sorry about the LMB. This hobby sure seems to be full of heartache. What is a LMB by the way? I am obviously totaly new to the hobby and am not too familiar w/ abbreviations yet.
 
Alex,

LMB is a lawnmower blenny. Also, flatworms and bryopsis are just part of the package. We get stuff directly from the ocean, weird stuff tends to go along for the ride.

Mike,

I can try to keep one at AA for awhile and let you know if any of them show interest in normal food. And there really isn't a small fish that effective at eating hair algae. Rainfordi gobies eat SOME algae but they're tiny so I can't imagine they would put much of a dent in it. Cool fish none the less however.

John
 
alexk3954 - I'm thrilled that you are drawing some inspiration from my little tank. It's a ghetto system compared to many (if not most) here on RC, but if it speaks to you, then roll with it. I'm also glad you find this thread instructive. Thanks again to the group of experienced reefers out there (Melev, John, Bax, et al) who continue to offer their words of wisdom and encouragement to me. Remember, I'm still a newbie myself!

As John implied, bryopsis, flatworms and other pests are considered undesirable hitchhikers. We all celebrate when we find an unexpected coral on a piece of rock or a cool crab that crawls out of a coral colony, like an acro crab. These would be considered "desirable" hitchhikers. Sometimes, on the other hand, there may be undesirable hitchhikers that we don't see when we acquire a new specimen, like maybe a mantis shrimp, redbugs, or ... flatworms. In my case, I've had my share of favorable hitchhikers, like some zoos that have appeared out of nowhere and tiny corals that I'm trying to preserve to see what they'll develop into. Of course we have to take the good with the bad. I don't know exactly where the bryopsis came from that's in my tank - likely from the live rock. I am, however, quite certain where I got the flatworms. It occurred when I purchased my blastomussa colony from my LFS. I saw a relatively large (about 2 mm) gray worm crawling around in the bag while I was acclimating the coral, but not being sure what it was I placed the colony into my tank anyway. A few days later I began seeing baby-sized gray worms along the glass, and their numbers increased daily. This illustrates the importance of quarantine! Granted, I don't quarantine corals, but I dip them and I should quarantine. At least now I know what to look for, but even then it's not foolproof, as some of these pests are difficult to see. Take the acro-eating flatworms, for example. These can be quite difficult to see, and may go unnoticed until the corals are literally being eaten away. It's a small investment to set up a quarantine tank - clearly cheaper than the time and money necessary to eradicate an infestation. If I'd total the dollars I've spent on Flatworm eXit, PraziPro, carbon, salt (for increased water changes), mesh bags, etc., not to mention the number of hours involved in performing the treatments, I could have easily bought a nice light fixture and maybe even a small HOB skimmer for a QT and could have avoided contaminating my tank in the first place. The bryopsis would have been tougher for me to avoid, as it was probably dormant in my LR for a few months before blossoming out. But I've been battling this stuff just as tenaciously, with manual labor (pruning), attempting to achieve optimal water quality/chemistry, and adding natural predators like lettuce nudis. Sure, this hobby has its frustrations and challenges, but that makes it all the more exciting, for me anyway.

I don't have a picture of the flatworms, primarily because the camera I use (it's my wife's camera) is an old Nikon CoolPix 990 and the macro function isn't very good. Flatworms come in different colors; the red ones (planaria) are more deleterious than the gray ones that I have. They look like tiny arrows, 1-2 mm long, with a bifurcated tail.

Amazingly I don't have a good picture of bryopsis. I should have taken a full tank shot when the stuff was in full bloom and all over my tank, but I guess I found it too disgusting. If you look back one page at the photo of my stomatella snail, you can see a small tuft of it along the glass. Also, check out this older full tank shot - I had just pruned before taking this photo but there's a fairly nice tuft of bryopsis at the bottom left corner of the image, and some more immediately beneath the red monti cap, just to the left of the frogspawn sitting on the substrate.
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John - Hmm, not sure if another lawnmower blenny is going to be the fish for me. I'd hate to starve another one to death, and the wife wasn't so keen on its looks. I thought it was quite handsome. With only enough property in my tank for 4 tennants, I have to be pretty selective about who I'll rent space to. Maybe I need some more suggestions. The goby is a good option and the small size doesn't deter me. Even if it doesn't wipe out the algae, that would at least ensure a constant food source.
 
this page has a pic of flatworms an bryopsis, and a ton of other good/bad hitchhikers: http://www.xtalworld.com/Aquarium/hitchfaq.htm

Great thread by the way! I have been following from the start, and have gotten lots of useful information from it. I am on my second month with my first tank (75 gallon), so it has been great help to a newbie like myself. I am actually getting ready to set up a second tank, a 33 gallon, and plan on copying your stand. Keep the updates coming!

- Sean
 
sean - That's an awesome link, thanks a ton! I learned that I have vermitid snails and halimeda in my tank as well. My flatworms actually look different than the ones pictured, although the bryopsis photo is spot on. My flatworms are more linear (less "globular") and have more defined borders.

I'm glad you are deriving some benefit from this thread. Good luck on your stand construction. If you're truly going to copy my stand design, allow me to offer some suggestions regarding improvements now that it's been in use for a while. First off, I'd add a second layer of 2x4's or maybe just 2x2's around the entire bottom to add some height. This would elevate it off of the floor to allow for unobstructed opening and closing of the doors. I had to slide some small pieces of wood beneath my cabinet to raise it off of the floor a bit, and fortunately it remained level. At least I think it did ... better check that tonight when I get home. Second, I wouldn't copy my door design. In order to open the front door, I have to first open the left side door because the back of the front door runs into the left side door, know what I mean? This could be solved with slightly smaller doors or, even better, using european hinges that are inset into the frame. I didn't use european hinges because I didn't have a router but if you do, I'd go for that. Third, if you can mount a light without a light rack like I built, then do it. I had to use the light rack out of necessity since my ceiling is too high to hang a pendant over the tank. The light rack makes working on plumbing a real PITA, although I have to admit that it looks pretty nice. Still, not worth it when it comes time to rolling up the sleeves and getting to work. Other than that, I'm really pleased with the cabinet. The interior access is as good as it gets, and I've managed to cram a bunch of stuff inside without it being cluttered. I have no reservations regarding the strength or stability of the construction. You really can't beat 4" screws! Please post links of your tank and stand, would love to see it.
 
thanks for the tips on the stand mike! my stand won't be exactly the same, as yours, but i really like the look of the doors, and how there are three of them to get in and around the sump. It just looks so simple and elegant from the outside, and that is what i am going for.

I'll keep in mind your tips on the doors. As for the light rack, i'll probably be doing a matching canopy later on down the road since when I upgrade my lights, I'll be going with either PC or T5 instead of MH.

How tall is your stand BTW?
 
If you're looking to get burrowing fish, I'd look into the Bimini Pink over the Fiji. The Bimini IME has lots of little chunks of stuff in it and still gives a nice predominately pink color. These little chunks are used by burrowing critters to shore up their holes. The fiji pink is a nice sand, but has a very uniform grain size that is quite small.

John
 
Sean - My cabinet is 40" tall. The height was primarily determined by what I felt would be a comfortable viewing height while sitting on the couch and standing beside the tank. I think I achieved that. The shelf height was determined by the height of my topoff reservoir.

Alex - I looked in Scott Michael's book and there's nothing specific there about the yellow watchman goby. I think, for the most part, that gobys are burrowers, and the name suggests that it probably has a symbiotic relationship with a pistol shrimp. Way back in October I got a blackray shrimp goby and pistol shrimp. They were fun to watch while they lasted, which unfortunately wasn't very long. If you've read this whole thread, you'd know that my tank hasn't exactly been kind to fish :rolleye1: . Another cool burrower is the yellowhead jawfish. This fish is very entertaining to watch, is pretty hardy, does not require a large tank, and would do well with the substrate that John recommended.

Regarding the live rock, I get mine locally. Many people order LR on line and get excellent quality goods. I personally prefer to support my LFS by purchasing (almost) all of my live products locally. I'll get my dry goods on line to save significant coin, but I also like the idea of seeing livestock (and live rock, for that matter) in person before buying it. When buying locally I can also be assured that the rocks are fully cured before entering my home. The smell of curing LR would not be considered a pleasantry in my home ;) .
 
I finally got around to getting some shots of my tank with the new fan mounted. If you recall, the top used to look like this with the ugly, large white fan used for cooling.

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I got rid of that fan and mounted a Radio Shack computer fan into the light rack, and here's how it looks now.

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I could have made it look better by mounting the front of the fan flush with the wood instead of the back being flush, but if you recall I was in a bit of a hurry, cleaning out my pumps simultaneously. Although this is a significant improvement in appearance, it's not going to be a lasting solution. The fan's just way too loud. John mentioned a quieter fan that he may get at the LFS and I'll evaluate it once it's in. If it proves not to be a good option I'll just get an IceCap variable speed fan. I'm sure I could mount both over the hole that I cut out of the light rack, I just hope I won't have to remove the rack to get it done since that was a major chore.

So here's what the whole system looks like at this point.

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Questions ... comments ... concerns ... ?
 
Ok I'll add a few:

Alex -

The yellow watchman goby is not a burrowing creature by itself. It is as Mike eluded to though, a watchman goby which means that it often has a symbiotic relationship with a pistol shrimp. A pistol shrimp is a little nearly blind bulldozer that will build all kinds of tunnels under your rock. The goby lives in the tunnel the shrimp makes and in return, is a lookout for the shrimp. Very very cool relationship to see that is more often than not, lost in big tanks.

Like Mike said, the jawfish is definitely one of my favorite fish to watch in any aquarium. Truly a hilarious little fish, they spend all day digging and watching you. You do need a fairly deep sandbed of at leat 4 inches to keep one and they also have a HUGE tendency to get scared and jump out of the tank, so a lid is a good idea as well. Go with a yellowhead of blue spot jaw, a little bit less aggressive than the dusky.

Fiji live rock is one of my least favorites to tell you the truth. Most if not all of Fiji rock comes from Walt Smith. He's setup an elaborate rock curing station in Fiji where the collected rock is sprayed for two weeks with fresh ocean water on rock racks. This eliminates almost all unwanted hitchhikers but also kills much of the life I look for on quality rock. The Eunicid worm also comes out of Fiji and I never ever want to get one this big out of my tank (www.oregonreef.com go to worm incident). If it was me, I'd look to some of the other islands for great live rock. Marshall islands and Tonga both offer excellent quality with tons of life.

When buying rock I always like to buy it locally (although much more expensive) because I get to see the rock, and shape it in my mind. This doesn't work all the time however, as I've seen LFS with some crap rock. I'm not paying 7/pound for some doo doo brown rocks. That being said, I've heard only good things about Dr. Mac's rock and I would recommend him if you buy online. His website is pacific east aquaculture I think and is listed on RC's sponsors.

Sean - Go with a t5 combo! Have you seen Iwan's tank and if you haven't search for it. He uses t5's and his tank is just spectacular. T5's will also offer you a wider variety of coral choices.

Mike -

Tank looks great! Everything really did a number on your algae problem and the tank looks seriously beautiful. I'm always surprised with how colorful your rocks are, I wish mine would color up... You know what you need though... more coral!
 
so if I get the jawfish, how many pounds of the bimini pink sand should I get? Its a 37 gallon tank(w/ the same footprint as a 29, but a lot taller). Out of all those arag alive sands from carib-sea, which would be the best for the jawfish? Has anyone ever used this type of sand, or have any opinions on it?
 
With the carib sea sand, Id go with either the bimini pink, or preferably the western caribbean reef. If you wanted (which I would recommend) would be mix a bag of both together to get some really nice diversity.

For how much sand you'd need... I can't really say. There is a calculator on the homepage of RC somewhere but just remember that you want your sandbed depth to be AT LEAST 4 inches with a jawfish. Most people recommend between 6 and 8 inches of sand for this type of fish as he'll dig major caves in your aquarium.

I've used the carib sea sand many a time and it's good stuff. The dry stuff I absolutely hate though as it comes in with so much dust, you have either a dust storm or a 100 time sand rinsing run.

John
 


I've used the carib sea sand many a time and it's good stuff. The dry stuff I absolutely hate though as it comes in with so much dust, you have either a dust storm or a 100 time sand rinsing run.

John [/B]


Is the arag alive dry, or wet? Are there actually live critters in it, or should I buy some live sand from the LFS too? Do I have to wash this stuff before putting it in the tank?
 
AragAlive is wet, and the bag specifically says not to rinse it. The fluid is poured in with the sand. It does contain some live critters but it's also helpful to get some live sand from other established tanks to increase diversity. Just be sure those other tanks are free of unwanted pests.
 
Your tank looks much better now, and the fan is a nice improvement. If you can fit it behind the wood so that you just see the the angled board with a round hole, that would be even better.
 
melev - Thanks. I had that exact same idea to move the fan behind the wood (I was talking with John about it just yesterday) and I would do it if this fan was going to be permanent (which it's not). I'll certainly mount the replacement (read "quieter") fan back there for sure.

John - I found a pic of a blue spot jawfish and you're right, they are beautiful fish. I don't think my sand bed is deep enough for them though, and I'd be too worried about one jumping out of my open-topped tank. Still waiting for a new perc!


Last night I saw a new and different "clutch" of eggs. It's located on the back glass, sort of behind the overflow box and therefore I didn't have a good angle to get a photo of it. They're definitely not cerith snail eggs. They are white, kind of flat, and laid in a perfect spiral, about 1" in diameter, with 3 full revolutions within that inch. I wonder if they're astrea snail eggs? At any rate, it's pretty cool to see signs of reproduction in my tank. I just hope they're not flatworm eggs!
 
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