Step-by-step account of my first reef (with lots of pics)

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6239463#post6239463 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dudester

If I were you, I'd establish some sort of auto-topoff system as a first priority instead of the salinity monitor.

Hmmmmm, OK, I went back to the first page of this thread and started re-reading the beginning (which was most beneficial, I picked up on a few new things) and looked at your Tunze Osmolator. Also looked it up on a couple of web sites. Looks pretty slick, basically an optical level control with a number of safety backups. I like that. Yours is in your sump. I (currently) don't have a sump, so I would have to put it in the tank. There doesn't seem to be a problem with that, but is there any downside to having it in the main tank that I am missing?

And speaking of sumps, I'm thinking now in that direction. I think I could just fit a cheap 10 gal aquarium in my current commercial stand. I also have a CPR-90 overflow I bought a while back just to play with, but was never comfortable with that siphon thing. I even have the aqua-lifter pump to keep the siphon going, but was still a little leary of it, which convinced me to stay sump-less so far. So, how has your CPR-90 overflow worked for you? No major floods? Maybe I'm just paranoid? Do you think a simple 10 gal sump is worthwile on a 20 gal long tank? I'd probably put the skimmer and heater down there, too, and use a Mag ? return pump with a SCWD to the tank. Then I could put my auto top off device down in the sump.

Then I could convert the Aquaclear 110 HOB filter on the tank to a 'fuge,..................

Dang! Now ya got me thinkin' again. (I often tell myself that I'm not gonna fix it if it's not broke. Usually lasts about 10 minutes.)
 
Mike- Threads looking good bro and don't worry, Iowa isn't exactly on my list of future places to live (that's too damn cold btw lol). And yes, people have said that the opaque flatworms are benign but I don't like them one bit and zapped them myself.

As for the salinity meter, just go with a refractometer. Relatively cheap, easy to use, extremely accurate. Also a 10 gallon sump would definitely help your tank! Think of it, you're effectively raising your total volume by 1/2!

On with the show!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6240338#post6240338 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thedude15810
As for the salinity meter, just go with a refractometer. Relatively cheap, easy to use, extremely accurate. Also a 10 gallon sump would definitely help your tank! Think of it, you're effectively raising your total volume by 1/2!

On with the show!

Actually, I have been using a refractometer from the gitgo. Never have had one of the hydro things. The refractometer is easy, but being the lazy cuss that I am, I thought just glancing at a LCD readout was easier than doing the refract thing. Plus, it's cool.

Anyway, I have already pulled the trigger on the salinity monitor on Ebay. Never was known for my patience. So, an auto top of of some type is the next project. Then the Reef Controller. I've got another item up on ebay that should net me several hundred bucks, and I don't want that money burning a hole in my pocket............. :)

John, how do you feel about siphon overflows like the CPR-90? Safe, reliable? Should I use that to feed a sump? Can't very well drill the tank now.
 
bcoons - I'll have to address your questions/comments tomorrow. Not much time to respond thoroughly tonight ... just saw 1 flatworm in my tank. Still debating on whether or not to re-treat with FWE. I hate these flatworms! I've never had a lot of them, but they sure are frustrating. All right, that does it. Tonight, they die! It's GO TIME.:blown:
 
red alert red alert red alert

red alert red alert red alert

I was getting ready to treat with FWE and thought I'd feed my tank beforehand. I noticed my juvenile clownfish that I added 3 nights ago was quite lethargic. It's breathing pretty rapidly and didn't eat a single bite. This is highly atypical for this fish, which ate voraciosly in my quarantine tank and in the display every day until now. I'm very worried about this fish and decided not to treat with FWE to avoid putting any more stress on the fish. I think I'll do a 10 gallon water change just in case there is some FWE toxicity in the tank. I tested all my parameters (pH 8.4, salinity 1.026, Ca 400, alk 8.45, nitrate 0, phos 0) and the water remains in good condition and stable. I hope this fish doesn't die, that would REALLY bum me out.
 
Mikester :lol: there are other flatworms that are evil too, but usually the ones we hear about most are the red planaria and then some larger ones that eat corals.

I wonder if these are harmful to fish perhaps? Can you tell if any are on the lethargic clownfish?

If you only see one, siphon it out. :)

For a cheaper top-off solution, check out floatswitches.net - it comes with everything you need, including DIY plans for free.
 
Let's all hope that Mike's clown pulls through tonight and eats like normal in the morning. And flatworms are infinitely annoying in my opinion. Hey Mike, maybe stop with the FWE as I've got another suggestion for us to try, that Prazipro stuff I've used for clam pinched mantle. It kills them dead and is reef safe so maybe instead of using rat poison, we use a cyanide :mad2: (this is all in jest obviously as you should never put cyanide into your tank).

For others benefit, Prazipro is a diluted praziquantel (sp?) medication used to treat flukes and protazoans, including flatworms. I actually know of a wholesaler in LA that buys this stuff in bulk (not cheap) and flushes their systems every month. I've never experienced ill side effects from its use.

As to the overflow question, I've never had a problem with the CPR overflow (Mike has my old one). The main key is the aqualifter pump, or a gravity drain on the same hole, and the prefilter for the aqualifter. The only other HOB overflow that I can recommend with any certainty is the Lifereef overflow that uses U-tubes. Personally, I trust u tubes just about as far as I can throw them. Priming them is a pain in the ***, and if they lose their siphon (such as in the instance of a power outage) you have a potential flood.

Come on Dori... I mean Nemo... I mean Dori... Now Mike's daughter has me confused as to who is who.
 
Last night as I was about to do the water change, something told me not to do it. Since my testable water parameters were fine (I specifically mention "testable" since who knows what else is going on in that microenvironment that we don't test), and I had been running a fresh pound of carbon for 3 days after my last FWE treatment, I felt like there was little chance of FWE toxicity and a water change would only stress the fish more. So I refrained. I checked on the fish in the middle of the night and it appeared to be OK. I didn't turn on the light so I can't comment on its respirations, but it was swimming upright in its usual spot. This morning when I left the house at 6:00 it remained in the same place without obvious signs of distress, although again I can't comment on its respirations. I saw it make some brisk movements while swimming so I hope that whatever was bothering it is resolving :worried:. I may have been a little premature with my "red alert" but I observe my tank very closely and this definitely represented a change in this fish's behavior and appearance.

melev - You're right in that I could have easily siphoned out that single flatworm. I didn't do it for 2 reasons. First, I felt like it would be like ****ing in the wind (can I say that?), since I assume that if there's one on the glass, there must be many, many more on the rocks. Second, I was going to observe this single worm to monitor the effect of my FWE treatment.

I inspected the lethargic fish very carefully last night when I noticed something was wrong. His skin and fins were free of any signs of trauma, infection, or parasites. His eyes were clear and his belly remained fat. I'm hoping that he has adequate reserves from when he was in the QT to keep him nourished after skipping a meal last night. Maybe tonight I'll offer him frozen mysis shrimp if he doesn't accept the usual prepared meal, that is, if he's alive when I get home. Yes, I'm worried.:worried2:

John - Sure, I'll try the Prazipro. I have a bit of a prejudice against FWE (maybe this is unfounded), and I'd prefer to use it as a dip as opposed to the standard tank treatment. Do you know if the protocol (carbon out, treat, carbon in, water change, etc.) is the same?

bcoons - There's no problem having the level controllers of the Osmolator in your display tank. I did this before my sump arrived and it worked like a charm. If you choose to do so, however, make sure you use the included mounting devices and DON'T tape the cords to the tank like I did. Late one evening (actually early one morning) my tape came loose and the float alarm fell into the tank, which set off the alarm. LOUD!!

Like John said, I'm using his old CPR overflow. Aside from the noise, I'm very happy with it. This concern should not be minimized - it makes some noise! The AquaLifter pump and prefilter for continuous siphoning is a MUST, in my opinion. When I initially installed it my siphon didn't work for some reason. I basically had to stand there and adjust the flow from my sump return pump by tweaking the ball valve until the overflow was able to keep up with the return volume. I was extremely nervous that if I walked away, the tank would overfill and my living room would flood. Once the siphon was established, all of my concerns were completely alleviated. That sucker drains every drop of water it sees, and the CS-90 (the one I have) is rated to handle 600 gph. My Mag 5 return pump at 5' of head probably only returns about 250 gph, so I've got a lot of confidence in the overflow to handle the volume. I currently manually unplug my sump pump and CL pump during feedings, and before plugging the sump pump back in, I ALWAYS look to ensure that the AquaLifter pump is functioning. After using it for just over 2 months, the prefilter is already dark brown/black, so I'm going to change it out (also on my holiday list).

IMO, and as John already said, the sump would be worthwhile. With increased system volume, your water will be much more stable. The real estate in your tank can be used for fish, corals, and other livestock instead of a skimmer, heater and top-off device. And it's something else to tinker with! Afterall, this IS a hobby. I can't recommend a specific pump for your return until you give more specifics about your sump setup (head height, plumbing size, etc.), but I will say that I've been very happy with my Mag pump. Just remember that if you intend to use a SCWD, it will reduce your pump's output.

kuang0923 - What happened last time?
 
Well, my paranoia about my fish was justified. I just got home and found him dead. Very discouraging. Very sad. Out.
 
Damn, Dudester, I'm really sorry to hear that. I hate it when something like that happens for no apparent reason. You don't know whether you're doing something wrong, or if the fish is just succombing to something natural. I'm having the same problem with the neon tetras in my little FW tank at work. They occasionally die for no apparent reason. Testable water quality good, etc.

On a related note, after bragging about how well my little tank was doing, my purple chromis (probably dottyback) went MIA two days ago. No sign of a body, didn't jump out, no ammonia spike from a decomposing body. I'm pretty sure the condylactus anemone got it. It has the fully inflated, happy look it gets after it feeds.

I'll be interested to hear the forensics and post mortem on the clown, once you get over it. Maybe between all the informed folks on the thread someone can come up with some plausible causes.

Again, sorry.

Bruce
 
Sorry for your loss

But don't be discouraged sometimes you just can't prevent such a thing with a new specimen
 
To be perfectly honest, I have no real idea why this latest clown died but in no way attribute his death to Mike. In my experience (and as a sort of obvious) the shipping process on fish is very very stressful and many fish simply can't make it in the aquarium hobby, no matter how well you're able to care for them.

A good example of this is an absolutely gorgeous 12 inch naso tang I got for one of my store displays about 2 weeks ago. He had the beginnings of streamers and was about 3 inches fat, and was simply a perfect fish. I couldn't wait to see how my babying of him in a 215 gallon tank would result. However in a mere three days, he hadn't eaten. He then had a terrible bacterial infection beginning from the eyes of the tang and following him laterally. I tried a treatment with Melafix, was unaware that was I had was pond strength Melafix, and the fish died. This is after 100 gallons in water changes and a change in tanks. I blamed myself for this beautiful fish's death and estimated his age at some where around 4. But the fact remains, that I knew how to take care of him, provided him with the best environment I could, but this fish didn't want to live in captivity. It's fish like this that make this hobby a real challenge to stay in at times.

I guess the moral of my story is that Mike treated this clown like a king and took every precaution to ensure his survival. Even with a QT tank, inevitably fish will be lost, it's our job to put this loss at an absolute minimum.

Every fish I lose and I'm sure all of ya'll lose is a terrible experience. Let us learn from every death to help as many new fish brought in as we possibly can.

John
 
Moderators, can I change the title of this thread to "Come Watch My Little Tank of Death" or is that title already taken?

But seriously, I don't know what's going on in my tank that makes it lethal within 3 days. First it was the blackray shrimp goby that died after 2 days, then my previous female percula clownfish that died after 3 days, and now a juvenile clownfish who did EXTREMELY well in quarantine for 3 weeks, and dies in my display after 3 days. The problem is that I don't know what I'll do differently next time. Maybe the larger female picked on the little male so much that the stress was too much for him to handle, although aside from the one fin nip that I previously described, there were no additional signs of trauma. I also considered that maybe something in my food is poisoning the fish, but this is unlikely since my other clown is very fat and happy, and John feeds his tank from the EXACT same batch of food without any problems. My only other thought is that there may be a predator of some type in my tank that's killing these fish, but as closely as I monitor this tank without seeing anything suspicious and the lack of trauma to the fishes all but refutes this as a possibility. I'm not sure if I'm more sad for the fish or more disappointed in my husbandry skills (or lack thereof).

I'd hate to be the next fish introduced into my tank - the odds of making it are pretty bad. Maybe I should have heeded Borneman's advice that I quoted on p. 2 of this thread, when he mentioned not adding any fish to a tank until 8 months to a year? At this point I'm a little gunshy of getting any more clownfish. I really wanted to find a mate for my current fish, but she appears well-adapted to the single life.

bcoons - Unfortunately the post-mortem exam was extremely brief, just a gross inspection of all external surfaces. There were no worms, lesions, or evidence of malnutrition, and in fact that small fin loss was already regenerating. Sorry to hear about your chromis - they're a difficult fish to keep. On a lighter note, glad your anemone is happy!

Bax - Thanks. It would be easier to swallow if I could attribute the death to a new addition that I could presume was ill when I got it, but I can't ignore how well this fish did for 3 weeks while in quarantine. I won't give up and will certainly try again after the holidays are over, but maybe with a six line wrasse instead of a clownfish. I've sterilized my QT and I have a sponge soaking in the sump at the ready.

John - Thanks for the kind words, and I truly hope it wasn't my fault but I just can't be sure.
Let us learn from every death to help as many new fish brought in as we possibly can.
Ditto and well said, just not sure what I learned from this experience. I'll have to ponder this further.
 
I can't go into the weekend with this thread on a down note, so I'll try to focus on the positives. I still can't figure out why that fish died, but I did learn a lot about quarantine tanks and I feel like I have a good one for my next fish. There are tons of spaghetti worms on my rock and substrate, and sponges are starting to grow on my LR. I've also seen several mollusks (bivalves) on and behind my aquascape. Aside from the toxicity from FWE treatment, my invertebrates are doing quite well. I'm also encouraged that I am able to not only keep corals alive (even SPS) but I have also demonstrated their growth in my system. I guess I must be doing SOMETHING right. And I thought corals were harder to care for than fish?

For all you Monty Python fans out there, "And now, here's something completely different."


Remember this zoo rock?
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I had been wondering what the larger zoo-like things were and it was suggested that they were Palythoa, but after doing some research I believe that they are Protopalythoa. They had been growing and spreading at an alarming rate and crowding out the more desirable green zoos, so I decided to take action. Last weekend I removed this rock from my tank and in a separate container filled with tank water, I extracted them individually with a hemostat, then scraped the rock with a razor blade. I was never happy with the large size of this rock since it took up a lot of real estate, so I then broke it with a hammer into 4 different pieces. Admittedly a few of the green zoos were sacrificed in the process, but I now have several smaller zoo rocks with almost no protopalythoa (a few got past me) that I can disperse throughout my tank. A bonus was that during the "dissection" of this rock, one of my missing orange Ricordea florida polyps showed up, hidden beneath the zoos. It was completely retracted and shrivelled but alive nonetheless. I placed this small polyp on one of the fragmented zoo rocks, and enclosed this in a mesh bag which I placed in my sump. It's been 6 days since I did this and I think one evening next week I'll take it out of the bag to ensure that the ricordea frag had adhered. If so I'll relocate this to my tank.
 
Almost forgot ... I need to add that while working with the zoo rock, I wore latex gloves. This is very important since zoanthids can release a toxin that can be absorbed through the skin and may not be well-tolerated.
 
No comments? OK, I guess I'll just keep this thread rolling. I'm going to do a water change today, so I guess this is as good a time as any to tell/show how I do it. I was initially changing about 10 gallons every 2 weeks, but I increased it to every week in order to cure my clownfish of its lymphocystis. Now that it's cured I think I'll go back to every 2 weeks. I don't have the most simple or automated setup for water changes, but it's functional and I can do it in about 20-30 minutes.

First of all, I mentioned the specs of my RO/DI unit previously. I got it here, and here's a picture of it. Due to its weight when full of water I mounted it onto a piece of wood (that I painted and beveled the ends for improved appearance), and the wood was drilled into the wall studs. This unit is mounted over the utility sink in our laundry room. I collect the waste water and we use it for house plants, and any extra goes into the pool. The 5 gallon waste buckets fill about every 20-25 minutes and it's a PITA carrying the water outside to the pool, but I hate to waste the water. I place the waste water buckets in the utility sink while they're being filled in case I forget about them and they overflow, and that extra water goes down the drain, but I try to minimize that.

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What's that you say? Overkill for my little 30 gal tank? Yes, I agree, but it will be just perfect once I get my monster system in the future :cool:. For those of you who don't remember, I'll describe the different chambers. Perched horizontally on top is the 50 gpd Dow RO membrane. I want to upgrade this since it takes about 1.5 hours to make 5 gallons of RO/DI water, so a 100 gpd membrane is on my holiday wish list. Looking from right to left, the first chamber is a 1 micron sediment prefilter. The next 2 chambers are the "blaster" carbon filters. They're more than just the standard carbon block filters in that they remove all chloramines as well. I'll quote the website: "Activated catalytic carbon for chlorine and ammonia removal (NH2CL). Also removes other volatile and organic compounds." There are two of them because this (supposedly) improves their efficiency. The last 2 chambers on the left are dual DI chambers that contain a color changing resin. This lets me know when they're no longer working and require replacement. The good thing about this is that they work on a one-at-a-time basis. The chamber on the right has nearly turned red all the way to the top (you can see the color difference in the above photo), and once it peaks out I'll shift the DI on the left to the right-sided chamber, and I'll replace the used DI. The blue square unit is a "total dissolved solvent" meter and the water I'm making has a TDS of 0.

Ideally the RO/DI water produced by this unit would drain directly into a storage container. I do have a 40 gallon storage container but it's in the garage (right outside of the laundry room), and I'm meeting resistance about putting a hole in the wall to pass the necessary tubing. Currently I have to remember to turn off the sink when my 5 gal container of RO/DI is full, and carry it out to my storage vessel. I have a feeling that all I have to do is "forget" that I'm making water one day, the laundry room will flood, and there will be much less resistance regarding that small hole in the wall :smokin:.

I mix my saltwater in two 20 gallon trashcans, and the water is constantly circulated with a MaxiJet 900 powerhead (one in each can). There's also a heater in each trashcan so that my water is ready to use at an instant's notice. Through some trial and error I have figured out how much water and salt to add to these containers in order to make water at a salinity of 1.026. I marked the inside of these trashcans with a "fill line" for RO/DI water, and I have a separate container that I marked as well with a salt "fill line." I simply fill the trashcan with water to the fill line, then fill the salt container to its line, then slowly add the salt to the trashcan with the powerhead on. In less than 24 hours the water is clear and I always check it with my refractometer to ensure the salinity is where I want it.

Here's my garage work area. Forgive the sloppiness, I had just finished a FWE treatment and my mesh filter bags were being hung out to dry.

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In the corner is the black 40 gal storage container for RO/DI. I have a float valve and an auto-shutoff device that I can plumb into it once I have "permission" to drill that little hole in the wall. By the way, for when I'm ready to do that, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I should seal around the tubing that passes through the wall so that bugs/cold air don't get into the house from the garage? Next you see the 2 trashcans where I mix and store my saltwater. The rest of the gear requires no explanation.

So for my water changes, I suspend all detritus from my rocks with a turkey baster then siphon out two 5 gal buckets of water from my display. If there's detritus built up in my sump I'll siphon that out as well. Before draining the tank I have 10 gallons of mixed and aerated saltwater sitting beside my cabinet at the ready. Here's how I move water from one container to another. I used to use a bucket and scoop it, but now I use this.

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It's just a MaxiJet powerhead fastened to some flexible tubing. When I want to transfer water, I just drop this into the source container, plug it in, and let the pump do the lifting for me. I also use this device to transfer my new saltwater from buckets into my sump during water changes.

If anyone has a better idea on how I can do this, please let me know. I'm considering plumbing some bulkheads into the storage container and trashcans and placing a Mag pump in each one of them. When I need to transfer water I could simply turn a ball valve on the external plumbing and bingo. This would kind of be like Weatherson's setup, but not nearly as sophistocated. Overkill? Maybe, but it seems like something fun to do.
 
Nice set up. I really like what you've done with the 30 Cube!

The only thing I would look into is those hose clamps you're using. Stainless steel, in or near saltwater, will rust. I'd consider getting some nylon wire ties to use as hose clamps. They work pretty well, especially on power heads.

That's one monster of an RO/DI :)
 
Yose - Thanks for your comments, and that's an excellent suggestion about replacing the hose clamp. I just happen to have a gajillion electrical ties at home; I'm sure I can find an adequate replacement. I see in your sig that you have a 30 gal as well. I checked your gallery and didn't see any pics. What's up, no love for the 30 now that you have a huge tank? ;)


By the way, ever since I saw that one rogue flatworm on my glass 3 nights ago, I haven't seen another one, and I didn't treat with FWE. Maybe they're gone?
 
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