stray electrical current??????

Mappelbaum37

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What is stray electrical current? I was reading on one of the threads and someone said that stray electrical current promotes algae growth. Is this true? If so, how does a tank recieve stray electrical current and how do you get rid of it?

I am currently having some algae problems and I've been doing everything I'm capable of to try and get rid of it. This may explain some of my issues...Or maybe not! :)

Thank you
 
Stray current is when a pump or something is leaking electricity into your tank. I have never heard of algae being associated with it.
 
I don't know about the algae problem but to get raid of ''stray electrical current'' in a tank, A Ground Probe connected to a GFCI is needed. Any leakage of current over 5 mA and the GFCI will trip. I would not use a ground probe with out a GFCI.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12380682#post12380682 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by racksteris
I don't know about the algae problem but to get raid of ''stray electrical current'' in a tank, A Ground Probe connected to a GFCI is needed. Any leakage of current over 5 mA and the GFCI will trip. I would not use a ground probe with out a GFCI.

I can say from experience to use a grounding probe WITH CFGI outlets... Luckily, mine shock was only a sting... but could have been worse.
 
Just out of curiosity.....how do you mount a grounding probe in a tank? Also...am I correct in saying that the GFCI will still be effective without the use of a grounding probe?

Jim
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12382805#post12382805 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kissfan79
Just out of curiosity.....how do you mount a grounding probe in a tank? Also...am I correct in saying that the GFCI will still be effective without the use of a grounding probe?

Jim

You don't need a ground probe with a GFCI BUT if you use a ground probe you MUST use a GFCI ... or else it could be dire ... and I am not kidding.
 
Grounding probes == Good for humans, bad for tank life.

No question; everything near the tank should be plugged into a GFI (NO EXCEPTIONS). A grounding probe it not needed if you have a GFI. A GFI will save your live if electricity comes between you and water.

Ground probes and tank inhabitance is another story; a grounding probe gives the electricity a path and that can harm animals in the tank.

Here is a fairly good article.
http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/RCM/RCM/Aquarium/GroundingProbes.html
 
Is there a way to tell if someone has stray electrical current in there tank? If so, how do you tell? I dont want to get a ground probe for nothing.
 
There is not an accurate/sure-proof method to measure for an electrical leak in water. It has been suggested that using a voltage meter, placing a probe in the tank and one on the ground lug of an outlet but that will not tell you with certainty that there is a problem (only that there is a difference in electrical potential between the tank and house ground, which there likley is). The fact is nearly every tank has some stray electricity; it can be induces by your lights, submerged pumps, heaters, etc.

Grounding probes was a way to get around using GFI in the old days; today GFIs are inexpensive and much better. You know you have a bad pump when the GFI trips and won't reset, if you touch the water and the GFI trips, that also is an indication that something is leaking.

Sorry I couldn't give you a good answer for how to test for it, the best answer really is to protect against it by using GFIs.

Do you have GFI outlets on everything; that is the best protection!
 
Great information for everyone guys. It is worth the read and thetime go get the knowledge that may save your life one day. Thanks!

Jim
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12384923#post12384923 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mappelbaum37
Yes I do have a GFI... Does that mean a probe for the tank is not necessary?

You got it!
 
probe

probe

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12382956#post12382956 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kenargo
Grounding probes == Good for humans, bad for tank life.

No question; everything near the tank should be plugged into a GFI (NO EXCEPTIONS). A grounding probe it not needed if you have a GFI. A GFI will save your live if electricity comes between you and water.

Ground probes and tank inhabitance is another story; a grounding probe gives the electricity a path and that can harm animals in the tank.

Here is a fairly good article.
http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/RCM/RCM/Aquarium/GroundingProbes.html

great advice:)
 
good point abulgin, but personally i would strongly recommend 1, they can become faulty, in the uk ours have test buttons on them and once amonth we are told to press the button to ensure the unit is not faulty, there are other ways to test them i have a tester but i am a spark, the average member of the public would not, i dont know if the GFIs in the usa have the testing facility obviously as i have never been there but suggest to mappel that he uses one
 
By the way, this article, which I also found last night, just goes to show you that a lot of people in this industry are shysters. You can find so much crap for sale in every catalog/e-tailer site that is totally useless. I wonder how many people have killed entire reef tanks by dumping "reef safe" medication in the tank. I'd be interested to see what the warranty (if there is one) or label says about liability for losses.
 
I really don't understand the objection to grounding probes used in conjunction with GFCI.

As I understand this article, the author mentions three potential problems with using a grounding probe:

1) If there is a short in a single device -- within itself -- this would not be a "problem" (really?), but a problem would be created by addition of a grounding probe because it would take the short out of the device "itself" and send the current to ground. Clearly this would be a problem with no GFCI. But with a GFCI, this would cause a trip and you'd investigate and find the problem A good result. Better than having a device shorting "within itself" without you knowing it.

2) If you have a ground probe, it will keep you from finding a problem. Better to know about it and diagnose it. Ok. But, again, if you have a properly working GFCI you will know about it because you'll trip your GFCI.

3) You're creating a path to ground that is in an invitation to allow current to travel through your tank, which it otherwise wouldn't if you didn't provide the invitation. Clearly true. And, clearly, a reason why a ground probe without a GFCI is a bad idea. But, since a fish tank without GFCI is a bad idea, that's redundant.

If you click on the article linked within the article, the author does mention one scenario -- albeit unlikely -- in which you definitely want a grounding probe IN ADDITION TO a GFCI. Here it is:

xxxFor example, if one power head's hot lead (black wire) is exposed to the water and another power head's neutral lead (white wire) is exposed to the water, then there will be a current flow between them as well as any sea life that gets in the way. Lets say that both power heads were plugged into the same GFI. Since all the current coming in the black wire is going out the white wire (some through the power heads, some through the water and fish)... there is a balance, but an unhealthy one for the tank. The GFI would not trip. Adding a ground probe would cause the GFI to trip in this example. xxx

What he doesn't say is that not having the grounding probe means that when you stick your hand in the tank in the path of the current, you become the grounding probe.

His final objection to grounding probes is that there is some current that is added to water by induction from the devices you have plugged into your GFCI. (These will not trip the GFCI because they are currents caused by the devices, and so the hot and neutral voltages measured by the GFCI remain constant.) These induced currents, he says, will not be harmful to the fish when there is no grounding probe, but may be harmful if there is a grounding probe, because the potential in the tank may be different from the potential in the ground in your home and thus these induced voltages and currents will find a path in grounding probe. I'm not entirely convinced.

But it seems to me that, if you're reading this article and trying to decide whether or not to use a grounding probe in conjunction with your GFCI, it is a mistake to read this article (as many here seem to be reading it) to say that a grounding probe is a negative. It's a choice you need to make as an aquarist, and it seems relatively narrow: which am I more concerned about: (1) a relatively unique scenario where current is flowing through the tank from a bare hot wire of one device to the bare neutral of another v. (2) small amounts of induced currents finding a path through my grounding wire that may present unpleasant zones in my tank for my fish. I know my answer. But each is different.

The lesson seems to be USE GFCI. Whether or not you use a grounding probe is a more nuanced question, with no "right" answer.

Disclaimer: I am not an electrician. I am a hobbyist trying to make sense of complicated matters of physics. All of this could be wrong. Do your own due dilegence before sticking your hand in salt water near devices drawing hudreds or thousands of watts.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12391418#post12391418 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gdevine
You got it!

Are you suggesting not too use a Ground Probe?

What negative effect does a ground probe when used with a GFCI have when used on a tank?

Are you aware that most GFCI only trip with a fault over 5mA?
 
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